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  • Why did the Turks slaughter over 1.5 million Armenians?

    Why did the Turks slaughter over 1.5 million Armenians?

    Pulat Tacar
    Hüseyin Sermet

    Hüseyin Sermet, Ph. D. from C. N.S.D.M.D.Paris École Normale Supérieure de Musique de Paris (1974)

    There are thousands of answers and this often repeated question is becoming tiring. Let me try to help your curiosity: Turks, during the first ww were so bored by having nothing interesting to do, to accomplish in their lives that they have decided, completely out of the blue, to have fun by killing some Armenians?!?Does it make sense? Not so much i’m afraid. Armenians and Turks lived for thousand year in perfect harmony and peacefulness. They were given the title of Milllet-i Sâdıka by the Ottoman Empire and they weren’t soldiers. That means that the Armenians didn’t have to become soldiers and to fight. A privilege given only to Armenians. When Turks arrived to Anatolia, they were helped by Armenians and Armenians fought against Byzance with Turks because despite being Christians, they were badly, unjustly treated by Byzance. At the end of 19th century, Occidental powers decided to use Christian minorities against the ailing empire. France, Russia and all the others used the usual tactics of “Divide and rule”. All of the men being in the army due to the ww, villages were left with women, children and extremely old men. The first years of the war Russians had captured a portion of Turkish territory which was retaken to only find out that Armenians had attacked, raped and then burned mosques with the entire populations in the mosques. Of course the Armenian terrorists had retreated with Russians. Ottoman Empire decided immediately to send the Armenian population of the area to Syria and to evacuate Armenians from the region for security reasons. During their way to Syria, many terrible things occurred such as Armenian women raped, stolen, killed etc. But for sure there wasn’t a hint of genocide. The number of Armenians reaching Syria shows and proves it.By the way, Armenians living in the western part of the empire didn’t have any problem. Strange genocide indeed?!?!? Armenians have started to talk about 150.000 victims first. Then quickly they have reached 300.000. They stayed with 300.000 for a longtime but as some countries want to use this as a political tool, they are still encouraging Armenians to have claims.Being encouraged so much by some, they ended up reaching the fantastic and purely fantasy number of 1.500.000.(Nearly all of the Armenians.) What is the purpose? Some nurtured the idea of Great Greece. Megalo idea. They have been seriously beaten and punished in a way. Later on, same people have nurtured the idea of Enosis. They have received another lesson. Territories claimed to be Armenian are under PKK-YPG-TAK attack nowadays. Kurdish terrorism. All of them helped and maintained by money and arms coming from Turkey’s official allies such as the U. S. Why? Because behind the curtains there is another dream which is called Eretz Israel and which would like to take a sizeable part of Turkish territory pretending that God had promised?!!?We, Turkish people, are very much aware of what is going on and why the pityful show is going on!!! There is not an Armenian genocide and we shall never bow to such a ridiculous demand. There is a regrettable course of events due to Armenian betrayal. We regret the casualties but we are looking forward to see Armenians to start regretting what they did too. As long as they accept to be expendable political tools in some power’s game, they will only encounter frustration.(Exactly like the way PKK-YPG-TAK is “mis”used nowadays) But of course, the choice is theirs and here in Turkey, strictly no-one will move the little finger to try to convince them to behave more intelligently by diving into the real events, by reading and learning about the truth instead of believing in self-made convenient legends which, once more, reduces them into artificial victims and definite political loosers.

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    Emre Pinar, lived in Turkey

    Answered Apr 16

    To prevent this:

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    I am not proud of what happened in 1915 nor am I going to justify it, but this is the reason.

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    Utku Aras

    Answered Apr 16

    They didnt. It was war time and armenians allied with france and slaughter Turks. Turks only attacked back. Turkey applied twice to prove war crimes armenians did and made a request to open archieves. Armenia refused twice. Turkey opened some of its archieves. The photos on İnternet is from Turkish goverment archieves. There isnt a single proof that it occured yet I dont understand why People are believing something without proof. Historians says otherwise.. It didnt occur and what happened innocent untill proved otherwise. France as you can guess why the biggest support of this wrong belie…

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    Henrik Vardumyan

    Updated Apr 21

    Most People commenting here are amateurs who have never actually spent any of their free time reading historic documents. Its a complicated topic and pros, by that I mean people who have spent their entire life studying history have conlcuded it was a genocide.

    By asking why? We have to least go back at least 1000–2000 years. Recently this video on youtube did a great job telling the entire history of Anatolia.

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    Görkem Sırma, Huge Turkic history buff

    Answered Apr 16

    Over the decades, there was constant friction between the ethnic minorities and the Turks, and some of these ethnic minorities hat their friction among themselves. It was more of a Mexican standoff of some sort.

    Even though different governments tried do deal with Armenians for decades (this includes violent methods) the problems were still there.

    During that time, there was a political faction was in charge through a military coup, in Turkish historiography, it is called “İttihat ve Terakki”( Committee of Union and Progress), in western historiography, it is usually called Young Turks(That’s…

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  • Did Hitler model his Holocaust on the Armenian Genocide?

    Did Hitler model his Holocaust on the Armenian Genocide?

    The Holocaust and 1915 Armenian events are two different things and it dilutes the facts and confuses people to mix them together. Let me put it that way, if Hitler indeed had taken the Ottoman-Armenian events as a model, he would leave all Jews in Berlin comfortably in peace.

    1915 events broke out because armed Armenian groups in north-east were fighting for independence, and the Ottomans, afraid they cannot cope with them, as they were backed by Russia, looked for the solution in deporting them, along with the rest of Armenian civilians living in that region, ie around northeast border with Russia, to south. The purpose was to keep that land and prevent a disintegration of Ottoman Empire (or whatever left of it). I am not trying to show it as a casual thing, the results were tragic, but this is the full picture.

    Armenians in the west (including the capital, Constantinople) and the Arabic states of Ottoman empire were not deported or murdered. As an example, the population of Armenians in Istanbul at that time was 164,000, in Izmit 62,000.. Some of the most Armenian populated cities were in west. You can find my source and other details here:

    How many Armenians were living in the Ottoman Empire?

    Because you compared the Armenian events with the holocaust.. As a simple person, one thing I know about the holocaust is that the nazis hunted down one by one every jewish citizen in the countries they invaded, from Greece to Scandinavian countries, directly or indirectly (thru collaboration with local governments) and sent them to camps with the ultimate goal, to exterminate the jewish race.

    If the Ottomans wished to wipe out the all Armenian race, like Hitler did for Jews, they would probably start from those in front of their noses. But none in west were touched. (Armenians in west, especially in the capital, were the wealthiest of their people.) This is, as I said earlier, like Nazis forgot or ignored about the Jews in Berlin or Munich..

    If you are skeptical, here are some other references:

    – “The majority of the Armenians in Constantinople, the capital city, were spared deportation.” Frequently Asked Questions about the Armenian Genocide

    -2000 were deported or arrested from Constantinople according to some sources Deportation of Armenian intellectuals on 24 April 1915

    The two events, thus, historically are very different, and no need to merge them forcefully to short-cut to a conclusion. The Turkish and Armenian people should be the sides who better most sensitive about details as it is our history. Understanding them can help us shape the future in a better way.