Category: Southern Caucasus

  • Spectacle by Armenian diaspora bears function of PR: expert

    Spectacle by Armenian diaspora bears function of PR: expert

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    “One can expect anything from Armenia, but I am inclined to believe that Serzh Sarkissian will not deviate from commitments made to Turkey, Washington and the EU,” expert at Azerbaijan’s Lider TV Tofiq Abbasov said commenting on media reports claiming that Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan may delay signing of protocols amid latest events.

    “Today Yerevan very much needs breakthrough to revive the country, which is in a very difficult situation because of economic downturn. It will help to get out of stagnation,” he said.

    “The entire illusory spectacle by Armenian diaspora that we all watched on TV still bears the function of PR,” the expert said.

    “The Armenian diaspora provides financial assistance to Armenia, but this assistance is hardly crosses the line of $50 million a year. This is not such a large sum in light of current realities to say that Sargsyan risks of losing an asset,” he added.

    “I believe that President Sargsyan and his team need a hefty catch. In this sense, the opening of borders with Turkey can become a good prospect for whole Armenia, because they will receive a new communication, a very attractive motivation for the development of market relations,” Abbasov said.

    “Market relations are at an early primitive stage in Armenia while Turkey already has developed and full-fledged market relations with many states. They have established good relations with European countries. Turkish territory provides direct access to European markets. In this sense, Sargsyan plans to procure more favorable points to revive the economy and demonstrate its diplomatic maneuverability,” Abbasov said.
     
    “I believe that Armenia will not deviate from the intended path and protocols on normalization of relations with Turkey and opening of borders between countries will be signed before the scheduled time. I also believe Serzh Sargsyan will go to the soccer match between Turkey and Armenia. Thus, countries can agree on fundamental issues, and along with it to earn dividends before Washington, which is the spiritual mentor of their reconciliation, but also before the European Union. By the way, after this the U.S. and EU will reward Ankara and Yerevan with a new aid. The normalization of relations between the countries will give additional benefits to Sargsyan in the negotiation process on Karabakh,” the expert said.

    http://www.today.az/news/politics/56351.html

  • Russia Reaffirms Support For Turkey-Armenia Thaw

    Russia Reaffirms Support For Turkey-Armenia Thaw

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    08.10.2009

    Russia on Thursday again voiced support for the ongoing normalization of relations between Armenia and Turkey which it said will be formalized on October.

    In televised remarks cited by AFP news agency, Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Andrei Nesterenko described as a “very important step in the right direction” two draft agreements envisaging the establishment of diplomatic relations and reopening of the border between the two nations.

    “The signing of the Armenian-Turkish documents, set for October 10 in Zurich, will… determine the steps of the two sides on to the path of a full normalization of intergovernmental ties between Armenia and Turkey,” said Nesterenko.

    Neither Ankara, nor Yerevan have officially confirmed the date and location of the signing ceremony. “I am not giving any dates,” Turkey’s Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told reporters in Ankara earlier in the day. Let’s wait for a statement from the Swiss. As Turkey, we have no doubts the protocols will be signed.”

    Davutoglu also downplayed the uproar caused by the agreements in Armenia’s large and influential Diaspora. “Don’t listen to the voices from the Diaspora, there is no
    surprise development for us,” he said, according to the Associated Press. “Everything is happening within its natural course.”

    Meanwhile, a senior lawmaker from Turkey’s ruling Justice and Development Party said late Wednesday lack of progress Azerbaijan and Armenia towards resolving the conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh would affect Turkey’s parliamentary ratification of the agreements. “Lack of progress towards the resolution of Armenian-Azeri problems will certainly affect the parliamentary process,” Murat Mercan, chairman of the parliamentary foreign affairs committee, told Reuters.

    Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has likewise repeatedly stated that Turkey will not open its border with Armenia as long as the Karabakh dispute remains unresolved. The Turkish-Armenian agreements make no reference to the conflict.

    https://www.azatutyun.am/a/1847088.html
  • Sarkisian Unrepentant About Turkey Deal After Diaspora Trip

    Sarkisian Unrepentant About Turkey Deal After Diaspora Trip

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    08.10.2009
    Emil Danielyan, Sargis Harutyunyan

    President Serzh Sarkisian dismissed domestic and Diaspora criticism of his conciliatory policy towards Turkey on Thursday after wrapping up a tense intercontinental tour of major Armenian communities abroad that sparked angry street demonstrations.

    Sarkisian blasted organizers of one of those protests staged last Friday in Paris, the first leg of the weeklong charm offensive that also took him to the United States, Lebanon and Russia.

    Some 200 Armenians gathered near an Armenian genocide memorial in the French capital, condemning the fence-mending agreements that are expected to be signed by the Armenian and Turkish governments in the coming days. The protest turned violent when riot police pushed back the crowd as the Armenian leader laid a wreath there. Police dragged several protesters away kicking and screaming.

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    Armenians in Lebanon protest against Armenias rapprochement with Turkey during President Serzh Sarkisians visit to Beirut.

    Addressing his National Security Council, Sarkisian said the wreath-laying ceremony was meant to underline the importance of genocide recognition for Turkish-Armenian reconciliation. “I expected that we will put on display our unity and position on this issue with a massive demonstration, rather than a provocation by 100 persons,” he said.

    One of the organizers of the demonstration, the Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnaktsutyun), sought on Thursday to rationalize furious Diaspora reactions to what it considers a sellout deal with Turkey. “People became unmanageable and unrestrained,” said Hrant Markarian, a top Dashnaktsutyun leader. “There were also incidents, outbursts. [Turkish-Armenian] developments were assessed in an extreme fashion. We didn’t feel good but this was the reaction of a raw nerve.”

    The authorities in Yerevan must “respect and reckon with that opinion,” said Markarian. “The Diaspora is facing the danger of losing its raison d’etre,” added the Diaspora-born politician.

    Sarkisian downplayed, however, this and other vocal expressions of dissent that accompanied his high-profile meetings with influential community figures around the world. “My goal was not say on my return from the pan-Armenian trip that the Diaspora stands for the signing of the Turkish-Armenian protocols,” he said.

    The president nonetheless found the trip useful, saying that he received “very important messages.” “I had a chance to once again feel just how different we are depending on our birthplace, community of residence, organizational affiliation and at the same time just how similar we are with our collective Armenian identity,” he said.

    Sarkisian spent most of his speech again defending his policy of rapprochement with Turkey and trying to allay serious concerns expressed by his some Diaspora groups. He insisted in particular that the planned establishment of a Turkish-Armenian panel of historians will not stop Yerevan from pressing more countries of the world to recognize the 1915 mass killings of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire as genocide.

    “On the question of the recognition and condemnation of the genocide, we have an obligation and we will fulfill that obligation till the end,” he told the advisory body comprising Armenia’s top state officials.

    Nationalist groups in Armenia and the Diaspora believe that such recognition should be eventually followed by Armenian territorial claims to parts of what is now eastern Turkey. They say that the Sarkisian administration precludes such possibility by agreeing to formally recognize Armenia’s existing border with Turkey.

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    Armenia — The National Security Council meets to discuss Armenias agreements with Turkey.

    “Making territorial claims is not the best way to start normalizing relations,” countered Sarkisian. “There are realities of the 21st century political culture which we must take into account.”

    Sarkisian again brushed aside opposition allegations that as part of the Western-backed deal with Ankara he also agreed to ensure greater Armenian concessions in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. “We will never opt for unilateral concessions in the Nagorno-Karabakh issue, regardless of what we could be offered in return,” he said.

    The president also scoffed at suggestions that the reopening of the Turkish-Armenian border would make Armenia economically dependent on Turkey and hurt domestic manufacturers. “It is like suggesting that the best remedy against headache is decapitation,” he said.

    https://www.azatutyun.am/a/1846825.html
  • Nagorno-Karabakh: Getting to a Breakthrough

    Nagorno-Karabakh: Getting to a Breakthrough

    INTERNATIONAL CRISIS GROUP – NEW BRIEFING

    Baku/Yerevan/Tbilisi/Brussels, 7 October 2009: Armenia and Azerbaijan should endorse a document on basic principles to end stalemate on the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict by the end of the year, or they will face an eventual return to full-scale hostilities.

    Nagorno-Karabakh: Getting to a Breakthrough,* the International Crisis Group’s latest policy briefing, examines the two-decades-old conflict and concludes there is reason for optimism that the political stalemate can be broken in today’s more supportive regional environment. However, it also warns that both governments and the international community must step up their efforts, as the status quo is increasingly untenable.

    “Although a deliberate military offensive from either side is unlikely in the near future, the ceasefire that ended active hostilities fifteen years ago is increasingly fragile”, says Lawrence Sheets, Crisis Group’s Caucasus Project Director. “There has been a steady increase in the frequency and intensity of armed skirmishes that could unintentionally spark a wider conflict”.

    The dispute between Armenia and Azerbaijan over the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh intensified following the breakup of the Soviet Union in 1991. However, the two countries are now in substantial agreement on the framework of basic principles first outlined by the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) Minsk Group in 2005. This framework revolves around three fundamental principles: non-use of force, territorial integrity and self-determination.

    As a first step to conflict resolution, Presidents Sarkisian of Armenia and Aliyev of Azerbaijan must prepare their publics for a possible peace deal. At present, there is a danger of a backlash, especially among Armenians, that could derail any basic principles agreement. After this agreement is signed, Nagorno-Karabakh’s de facto authorities and the Nagorno-Karabakh Azeri representatives should be part of subsequent peace talks. Crisis Group recommends the use of a multi-layered format, including direct contacts between Azerbaijan and Karabakh Armenians to help promote dialogue.

    The international community, in particular the U.S., France and Russia as co-chairs of the OSCE Minsk Group, should intensify efforts to encourage Armenia and Azerbaijan to formally endorse the basic principles document and then open negotiations on a conclusive peace accord. The co-chairs should take advantage not only of their own productive collaboration, but also of current positive movement towards Armenia-Turkey rapprochement.

    “There are encouraging signs the sides are inching towards agreement”, explains Sabine Freizer, Crisis Group’s Europe Program Director. “But differences still remain between Armenia and Azerbaijan on the specifics of a final deal, most seriously over Nagorno-Karabakh’s final status, and there is mutual distrust between the societies. Though a definitive settlement may still be years away, this window of opportunity to make genuine progress and support sustainable regional peace must not be missed”.

    To listen to Lawrence Sheets, Crisis Group’s Caucasus Project Director, discussing the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh, please click here for the podcast.

  • At Home And Abroad, Turkey Deal A Tough Sell For Armenian President

    At Home And Abroad, Turkey Deal A Tough Sell For Armenian President

    October 07, 2009
    By Brian Whitmore

    Video: The Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnaktsutyun), a political party with close ties to the Armenian diaspora, organized a hunger strike in front of the Armenian Foreign Ministry in Yerevan, protesting the agreement between Armenia and Turkey, which is due to be signed on October 10. Participants offered emotional responses to the prospect of an Armenian-Turkish rapprochement.(Video by author)

    YEREVAN — Singing patriotic songs about historic battles against the Turks, dozens of hunger strikers have been camped out in front of Armenia’s Foreign Ministry building for weeks.

    They are protesting a proposed agreement that would reestablish diplomatic ties between Yerevan and Ankara and open Armenia’s border with Turkey, ending a crippling 16-year blockade.

    Among the demonstrators is Nashan Ajemian, a man in his 50s with a low, gravelly voice, who returned to Armenia from the United States a decade ago. Standing among the protesters, he is adamant that efforts by the country’s president, Serzh Sarkisian, to win support for the rapprochement will never convince Armenians to forget the crimes committed by the Ottoman Empire.

    “He’s trying to convince everybody that everything is OK. But we know the Turks for the past 800 years. We know who they are,” Ajemian says.

    “Peace is a good thing. But we’re making peace with whom? With a criminal who killed my ancestors?”

    Ajemian’s comments came as Sarkisian was conducting a whirlwind, four-country tour in a last-minute attempt to persuade the 5.7 million ethnic Armenians living abroad to lend their support to opening ties with Turkey.

    The agreement, months in the making, is due to be signed by the Turkish and Armenian foreign ministers on October 10 in Zurich, Switzerland.

    Armenians abroad constitute one of the world’s strongest diaspora lobbying groups, and Sarkisian has met with skepticism and resentment during his tour of France, the United States, Lebanon, and Russia.

    Many in the diaspora reject the proposed rapprochement with Turkey, which they hold responsible for the slaughter of 1.5 million Armenians in 1915. They say a deal with Ankara, which rejects the Armenian assertion that the killings constituted genocide, could represent a disastrous capitulation to a long-standing, and deeply resented, enemy.

    They also object to Armenia recognizing its existing border with Turkey, which they say reflects a Soviet-era deal between Moscow and Ankara that handed tracts of Armenian territory to Turkey.

    Khachik Khachaturian, another Armenian returnee to Yerevan, says his father was forced to flee his homeland when Ottoman forces massacred Armenians toward the end of World War I.

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    Armenians marked the 90th anniversary of the Ottoman-era mass killings in Yerevan in April 2005.

    “Why does Armenia have a diaspora? Why? How did it happen? These people, most of them, their ancestors are from western Armenia — Kars, Ardahan, Tikranagert, Van — these are areas we cannot give up,” Khachaturian says.

    “The genocide is an issue, and the land is a second issue. There is no way people can forget that. And we will never forgive this president. Governments come and go, but justice remains. All we ask for is justice.”

    ‘A Threat To Their Very Identity’

    The diaspora’s sentiment is gaining a foothold back home, as ethnic Armenians like Khachaturian and Ajemian return to their native land, firm in the conviction that a peace deal with Turkey must be fought at all costs. The ongoing hunger strike is organized by the Armenian Revolutionary Federation, a nationalist party with close ties to the diaspora.

    The fierce diaspora opposition to rapprochement with Turkey reflects the political minefield Sarkisian must navigate as he pursues a policy that has the strong backing of Armenia’s main foreign allies, including the United States, the European Union, and Russia.

    In an interview published in “The Wall Street Journal” on October 7, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Yerevan “should not allow its policies to be taken hostage by the Armenian diaspora. It should be up to the government to carry out its policies.”

    Part of Sarkisian’s dilemma, however, lies in convincing the diaspora of the anticipated benefits of the deal. Renewed ties with Turkey have the potential to bring commerce and clout to tiny, impoverished, and landlocked Armenia.

    But that incentive has far less sway among the diaspora, who have moved on decades ago to better lives abroad.

    “The diaspora has a one-issue identity; it’s the genocide and nothing more. They see this whole rapprochement with Turkey as a threat to their very identity. They don’t see it in the same context that the Armenian government sees it, in terms of a need to open the border and a need for normal relations,” says Richard Giragosian, director of the Yerevan-based Armenian Center for National and International Studies.

    “The only benefits that could come will be accrued by the Armenian government and the Armenian population. The diaspora sees nothing but harm and nothing but a threat.”

    ‘Don’t Betray Us’

    In fact, Turkey and Armenia briefly had diplomatic relations in the past. Turkey was among the first countries to recognize Armenian independence after the breakup of the Soviet Union in 1991. But afterwards, when Armenian forces occupied the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region, which falls within the borders of Turkey’s historic ally Azerbaijan, Ankara broke off diplomatic ties with Yerevan and closed its border with Armenia.

    Last month, Yerevan and Ankara said they would set aside hostilities and establish diplomatic ties. The protocols to be signed on October 10 sidestep the genocide issue by establishing a joint commission to study the massacres.

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    Armenian President Serzh Sarkisian met with representatives of the Armenian diaspora in Los Angeles on October 4.

    That step did nothing to mollify the diaspora, however. Violent protests broke out on the first leg of Sarkisian’s diaspora tour on October 2 in Paris, where an estimated 200 demonstrators clashed with riot police and shouted “traitor” at the Armenian president.

    In the United States, Sarkisian faced angry crowds in both New York and Los Angeles. An estimated 12,000 Armenian-American demonstrators gathered on October 4 outside the L.A. hotel where Sarkisian was staying. Held back by blockades and guardrails, protesters held signs reading: “Don’t Betray Us” and “Turkey Accept the Genocide.”

    The Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA) issued a statement ahead of Sarkisian’s visit criticizing the opening to Turkey as “a flawed and dangerous set of protocols that threaten the security of Armenia, surrender the rights of the Armenian nation, and insult the dignity of the Armenian people.”

    In an interview with RFE/RL in Washington, Aram Hamparian, ANCA’s executive director, assailed Sarkisian for presenting the diaspora with a fait accompli, rather than taking their views into account.

    “It’s not a sincere opportunity for dialogue, but rather a theater, designed to create the impression that there’s a back-and-forth. The fact is there is no back-and-forth,” Hamparian says.

    “The document was negotiated in secret, and the document is not subject to any changes, so the idea that he’s coming to have a dialogue on the subject is simply not credible.”

    White House Support

    Not all Armenian-Americans are so staunchly opposed to normalized ties with Turkey. The Armenian Assembly of America joined two dioceses of the Armenian Apostolic Church and the diaspora’s largest charity, the Armenian General Benevolent Union, in issuing a statement supporting the rapprochement with Ankara.

    Haig Deranian, grand master of the Knights of Vartan, an Armenian-American fraternal organization that does charitable work, also signed on to the assembly’s supportive statement. He says diaspora Armenians “come from an emotional position, because we’ve lived the genocide” since childhood.

    “Growing up — I’m a first-generation Armenian-American — I heard the gruesome stories from my parents and grandparents about what happened. So I’m very emotional about this issue,” Deranian tells RFE/RL.

    “But by the same token, you can be emotional but also be objective, and try to do what’s good for the Armenians and our country.”

    While in the United States, Sarkisian received a telephone call from U.S. President Barack Obama expressing support for his pursuit of normalized relations with Turkey.

    Back on the road, however, Sarkisian faced fresh resistance. In Beirut on October 6, an estimated 2,000 protesters gathered outside the president’s hotel, carrying Armenian flags and signs reading “We Will Not Forget.”

    Sarkisian is due to visit Rostov-na-Donu in southern Russia before wrapping up his trip.

    At 5.7 million, Armenians abroad far outnumber the 3.2 million living in Armenia proper. Due to their lobbying power, remittances, and investments in the Armenian economy, they have historically enjoyed significant influence over the country’s politics and foreign affairs.

    But observers say the momentum for a Turkish-Armenian rapprochement has become so strong internationally that the diaspora is unlikely to be able to scuttle the deal.

    Public opinion in Armenia on the opening with Turkey is difficult to gauge, as no public opinion polls on the subject have been released. Analysts say, however, that most Armenians favor reestablishing ties with Turkey, even as deep historic resentments remain.

    “I think the opening of the border will be of benefit to us,” says Vahag Galstyan, a 24-year-old man walking through a park in central Yerevan.

    “It would be desirable not to forget the past, but to come to terms with it, and live in peace and move forward.”

    RFE/RL correspondent Heather Maher contributed to this report from Washington; Suren Musayelyan of RFE/RL’s Armenian Service contributed to this report in Yerevan.

     
    https://www.rferl.org/a/At_Home_And_Abroad_Turkey_Deal_A_Tough_Sell_For_Armenian_President/1846073.html
  • WHAT DOES PROTOCOLS BRING TO TURKEY

    WHAT DOES PROTOCOLS BRING TO TURKEY

    A DISCUSSION: From: Ergun [[email protected]]

    Dear Orhan,

    It is unfair to characterize being agaisnt the protocls “no solution is good solution” approach.

    I have read both protocols and seen point-by-point analysis of it, have you?

    I have serious reservations on these two protocols.  Armenia brings nothing to the table to cause these protocls to be signed and gets a “kiss of life” from Turkey in return.  I feel Turkey is short-changed and out-smarted by the Armenians and/or pressured real hard by the real powers behind these protocols, namely the U.S. and the E.U.

    I am a businessman who believes in give-and-take.  Diplomacy and international relations are all give-and-take.  I feel like these protocls are give-and-give.  I do not see any “take” on the table, do you? (What you may think will happen in future is an “expectation”, that may or may not pan out, not a “take”.)

    Let’s do this mental exercise wioth you:

    Suppose the protocols are signed on October 10, 2009.

    The Turkish parliament  ratifies them, despite fierce opposition in and out of the parliament, six weeks after that.

    And the borders are opened two months after that.

    That’s the sequence of events described in the protocols.

    Technically, by February or March, Turkey-Armenia border can be opened with no tangible gain for Turkey.

    1- Is there any reason left as to why Armenia should take any step towards peace in Karabakh + 7 provinces after that point?

    2- Can Turkey dare to close the borders if Armenian insists on making no moves citing million reasons or excuses?

    3-  Would not Turkey be under even more pressure by the US, EU, and UN not to close the borders then?

    4- And if Turkey closes the borders anyway–like Turkey resisted international pressure on the Cyprus issue in 1974–would not Turkey be isolated further?

    5-  Aren’t we boxing ourselves into another TRNC situation here where Turkey looks like the cruel bully of a neighbor who takes sadistic pleasure in punishing the cute, little, poor, helpless kid next door, e.g. Armenia?

    6- Do you see any signs of toning down of the genocide rhetoric now, or coveting of Turkish lands, or changing Armenian constitution?

    7-  Why give so much upfront while receiving little more than empty promises in return?

    8-  What if we lose Azerbaijan because of this?  Who will fill the oil and gas pipelines on which so much of Turkey’s new policies of being the “new energy hub” depends?

    9-  Doesn’t this feel like the “soldier’s promise to Evren” by the American chief of staff, General Rogers, back in 1981 when Turkey removed its objection to Greece’s return to NATO?  Greece kept none of the promises since and our only capital in negotiations with Greece was wasted.  Our only capital in negotiations with Armenia is opening the border.  That is being wasted away on vague promises in a couple of loosely worded protocols.

    Dear Orhan, if I did such poor trades in my business, I would be bankrupt by now.

    I am not against dialog, negotiations, raproachment, and normalization.  But I believe, this just ain’t it.

    If Armenia vacated 5 of the 7 provinces immediately, for instance, and agreed to turn over security of the remaining 2 provinces along with that of Karabakh to UN security forces; and allowed the return their home of Azeri refugees, I could see signing of the first protocol.

    And if Armenia promised to remove reference to Western Armenia in its constitution (code for Eastern Anatolia,) agree to turn over the genocide claims to a joint historians’ committee, and stop coveting Turkish lands, I could agree to sign the second protocol.

    It is as simple as that.

    Last word:  I am not against normalization; I am against a poor business deal.

    Best regards,

    Ergune

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    From: [email protected]


    Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:27 PM

    Dear Javid and Ergun,

    It is unfortunate that many Turkish Americans are reacting negatively to the protocols to be signed by the Turkish and Armenian governments.  I am no fan of the Erdogan government, but this is a right step long overdue.  We need to change the “no solution is a good solution” mentality.

    I know the path forward will be difficult.  There are many people who will be threatened by any reproach between Turkey and Armenia; Armenian diaspora comes to mind.  The Middle East is known for many conflicts that are never resolved.  I hope in a few years there will be one less problem and Turkey and Armenia will show the way.

    Both governments should be applauded for taking this giant but dangerous step.  I hope they will not be stuck in the past and will find a win-win solution.

    Orhan Gurbuz

    In a message dated 10/05/2009 11:46:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes:

    Excellent comments Ergun bey.

    I have to say that I am disappointed by ATAA and TCA support for the protocols initiated in the Armenian Foreign Ministry. Especially in ATAA case, was the decision behind the official support letter based on the opinion of community conducted through an open poll?

    These documents would bring no benefits to Turkey in return to far bigger losses in regional foreign policy. From a moral standpoint, this is the first time in the history of Turkish Republic when a deal is concluded on enemy’s terms.

    Best,
    Javid

    2009/10/4 Ergun Kirlikovali <[email protected]>

    Dun Los Angeles Times ile yarim saatlik bir gorusme yaptik.  Bugun haberlerde cok kucuk bir kismi cikti.  Buna da sukur.

    Ergun KIRLIKOVALI


    Tentative deal between Armenia, Turkey brings opposition from both sides

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2009-oct-04-me-armenia-protest4-story.html

    Armenian Americans and Turkish Americans both say the governments in their homelands are giving too many concessions. A commission that would study the Armenian genocide is a sore point for some.

    Upset over an agreement that would establish diplomatic ties between Armenia and Turkey and reopen their common borders, members of the Los Angeles Armenian community plan to rally in Beverly Hills today.

    Organizers of the demonstration say they will call on Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan to refrain from signing protocols with Turkey that they believe would threaten Armenia’s interests and security.

    Sargsyan is scheduled to visit Los Angeles today.

    A deal that would essentially normalize relations between the long-estranged nations is expected to be signed this month. But the agreement faces opposition from both Armenian Americans and Turkish Americans, who argue that the governments in their homelands are making unreasonable concessions.

    “We’re not against normalization and peace with Turkey,” said Arek Santikian, a UCLA student and chairman of the Armenian Youth Federation of the Western United States. “We really would want peace. But we can’t have peace with preconditions.”

    Among the agreement’s provisions is the creation of a historical commission that would evaluate the bloody history between the two countries. The Armenian genocide of 1915 to 1918 claimed the lives of about 1.2 million Armenians under the Ottoman Empire, which became the modern republic of Turkey. The Turkish government disputes that a genocide took place.

    A historical commission would allow Turkey “to question the veracity of the genocide,” Santikian said. “We know that it happened. We can’t put a question mark on that.”

    Turkey disputes the number of those killed and argues that Armenians were equally brutal in slaying Turks when they revolted against their Ottoman rulers and aligned themselves with invading Russian troops.

    Armenian American critics of the agreement also argue that the protocols would allow Turkey to keep eastern territories they say are historically part of Armenia.

    They are also concerned about the future of Nagorno-Karabakh, a disputed enclave populated mainly by ethnic Armenians but within the borders of Azerbaijan, which has close ethnic and political ties with Turkey.

    “The protocols are not proportional,” said Caspar Jivalagian, a student at Southwestern Law School and an Armenian Youth Federation member. “It is a very pro-Turkish document.”

    But many Turkish Americans disagree.

    “Turkey is giving too much and getting too little in return,” said Ergun Kirlikovali, West Coast director of the Assembly of Turkish American Assns.

    Some believe the Turkish government is selling out Azerbaijan by reconciling with Armenia before the dispute over Nagorno-Karabakh has been settled. Others fear Turkey might be forced to give back land.

    Kirlikovali said Turks are also tired of being defamed by Armenians who were “constantly pushing a bogus genocide claim . . . and distorting and misrepresenting history.”

    He argued that a historical commission would allow experts to come to a “nonpolitical” verdict on the issue, and said that’s why Armenians were opposed to the creation of such a panel. It could debunk their main indictment against Turks, Kirlikovali said.

    Gunay Evinch, the assembly’s Washington, D.C.-based president and a Fulbright scholar, said that despite the concerns over the consequences of the accord between Turkey and Armenia, the agreement presented “a unique opportunity to move forward for these countries and their people, but not without risks.”

    [email protected]

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