Category: Armenian Question

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  • ALETTER FROM DEMIRTAS BAYAR : ARMENIAN ISSUE

    ALETTER FROM DEMIRTAS BAYAR : ARMENIAN ISSUE

     

    DEMIRTAS BAYAR

    OPEN LETTER & REPLY TO US18NY  Congresswoman NITA LOWEY’S INSULTING LETTER TO ME. (Letter I received from N. Lowey is at the end of this message). To date I have not received a response from N. Lowey.

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    March 9, 1012

    Congresswoman Nita Lowey

    105 Beverly Rd.

    Rye, NY 10580

    Re: Nita Lowey’s E-Mail dated February 21, 2012 addressed to Demirtas Bayar.

     

    Your attribution to my views in your mail is FALSE. I believe that much of the contents of your letter are incorrect.

     

    This is the MO of most genocide claimers. False documents abound. My views are based on real documents and they contradict your views stated in your letter.

     

    You are a cruel person.

    You have sympathized with the Armenian terrorist organizations, the Hinchak and Dashnak, yet did not consider the sufferings of the people who were terrorized by them. These terrorists completely flattened 22 villages and killed 500,000 civilians between 1910 and 1920. Starting even before the Russian invasion of Turkey to the time they signed a treaty their ethnic cleansing included Turkish, Kurdish and Jewish men, women and children living in central Anatolia. The 50,000 Jewish population of central Anatolia was wiped out by the Dashnak. There are no known mass graves of Armenians in Anatolia. There is no way that the graves of 1.5 million people can be hidden. The graves in Cilicia (North Syria) belong to those Armenians who were killed after they joined the occupying French Army and fought against the Turks.

    The Armenians  continued their terrorist activities into the 1970’s. More than 100 innocent civilians were murdered by the Armenian Asala terrorist organization.

    We Americans believe in such a thing called ‘due process.’

    There has never been a judicial body that has judged that there was genocide. You should know better than anyone else that the concept is that one is innocent until proven otherwise in a court of law. Immediately after WWI about 100 Turkish ministers, generals and high ranking officials were taken to Malta and imprisoned for two years by the Allies who were occupying all of Turkey. They were being tried for crimes against Armenians. After a two year search into all Ottoman archives and all government documents the Allied judges in Malta decided that there was no evidence of a crime and released all of them. Every time this issue has come to court the judges rejected the claim of genocide. Other court cases are:

    1.-“The Court of First Instance of the European Communities, Case T-346/03, 17 December 2003”. This court rejected the claim of genocide.

    2.-  U.S. 9th Circuit Court overturned the genocide law.

    3.- The French Constitutional Court (2012) declared the genocide Law unconstitutional and against freedom of speech.

    4,-  The UN International Court of Justice decision (February 2007) on the claim by Bosnia that Serbia committed genocide should be very informative for you. That decision describes the law.

    5.-  French Court’s decision (April 2010) in favor of Maxine Gauin who was sued by the Armenians for arguing against genocide.

    Many more individual court cases have rejected the genocide claim. In the absence of any court decision to accuse anyone having committed genocide is Un-American.

     

    The claim that 1.5 million Armenians were killed is FALSIFYING the facts.

    The Armenian population in Anatolia was not more than 18% of the total population. The Ottoman State Census taken in 1905 gave this population as 1,294,851. Other estimates:

                                  1912   British Blue Book                       1,056,000

                                  1913   L.D. Contenson                          1,400,000

                                  1913   French Yellow Book                   1,475,000

                                  1913   Armenian Patriarch Ormanian    1,579,000

                                  1913   Lepsius                                        1,600,000

    This short list will make any investigator come to the conclusion that at the beginning of 1915 the Armenian population was not more than 1,600,000 in Ottoman Anatolia.

    We must now compare this with the Armenian population after the War while the Allies were occupying Turkey.

    1919:   Paris Peace Conference: Greek P.M. Venizelos: 1,260,000 Armenians living.

    1920:   League of Nations:  Dr. F. Nansen: 1,000,000 living in Turkey and 400,000 refugees from Turkey.

    1921:   Near East Relief*: 1,000,000 living in the Near East, 500,000 refugees from Anatolia living in the Transcaucases.

    * Near East Relief: With the U.S. President’s approval in 1919, Committee report to the Senate, 67th Congress, 2nd Session, Document No. 192, of the Near East Relief for the year ending December 31, 1921, presented by Mr. Lodge.

    Even a high-school student would ask where the huge surface area required to bury 1.5 million dead is located. To date none have been found. Aside that, how could anyone believe that 1.5 million Armenians were killed when in 1913 the Armenian population was 1.6 million and was 1.4 million in 1921 in accordance with the official U.S. Senate report which approved moneys for the relief of these Armenians. Are you claiming that the allocation of money to the 1.4 million Armenians by the US Senate in 1921 was fraudulent?

    Sincerely,

    Demirtas Bayar

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    References:

    1.     “There is Nothing the Dashnak Party Can Do.” By Hovhannes Katchaznouni, 1923. This report was written by the first Prime Minister of the Armenian Republic and was presented to the Dashnak Party conference in 1923. Lenin Library, Moscow.

    2.     “The Diplomacy of Imperialism.” By William L. Langer, published by A. Knoff, NY 1935. The author was awarded the Medal of Merit by President Truman.

    3.     “The Armenians.” By C.F. Dixon-Johnson, published by G. Toulmin, UK 1916. The author was a Captain in the British Army and was named as a hero in the Boer War. He writes that he wanted to tell the truth and adds:

            “Give a lie twenty-four hours and it will take a hundred years to overtake it.”

    4.     “Armenia.” By Samuel Weems, published by St. John Press, Texas 2002. The author was a former District Attorney and judge from Arkansas and was a delegate to the group that rewrote the Arkansas constitution.

    5.     “The Genocide of Truth.” By S. S. Aya, published by Dersim Yayinlari, Istanbul 2008, The author includes extensive references.

    6.     Many respectable historians criticize the “genocide” label, including Roderic H. Davison, Gwynne Dyer, Edward J. Erickson, Michael M. Gunter, Paul B. Henze, J. C. Hurewitz, Yitzchak Kerem, Bernard Lewis, Guenter Lewy, Heath Lowry, Justin McCarthy, Andrew Mango, Robert Mantran, Jeremy Salt, Stanford J. Shaw, Norman Stone, Gilles Veinstein, Robert F. Zeidner and Bruce Fein (Reagan’s Legal Adviser), et. al.

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    I RECEIVED THIS LETTER

     

    From: Congresswoman Nita Lowey [mailto:ny18ima.pub@mail.house.gov]
    Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:23 AM
    To: demirtas@celalbayar.org
    Subject: Response from Congresswoman Lowey

    February 21, 2012

     Mr. Demirtas Bayar

    44 Alex Drive

    White Plains, New York 10605

     

    Dear Mr. Bayar:

     

    Thank you for contacting me to express your support for a resolution affirming the United States record on the Armenian Genocide.  I appreciate having the benefit of your views, and I am glad we agree on this important issue.

     

    You will be pleased to know that I was a cosponsor of H.Res 252 in the 111th Congress, which called on the President to ensure that the foreign policy of the United States reflect appropriate understanding and sensitivity concerning issues related to human right violations and ethnic cleansing during the Armenian Genocide.  I believe this resolution was a long overdue recognition by the United States government that the deliberate slaughter of 1.5 million Armenians between 1915 and 1923 was, in fact, genocide.

     

    While this resolution has not yet been reintroduced in the 112th Congress, I remain a strong supporter of Armenia.  Rest assured I will continue to monitor this issue with our shared views in mind.

     

    Thank you again for sharing your thoughts with me. If you would like more information on this or other issues, or to sign up for my regular e-newsletter, visit my website at www.lowey.house.gov.  Please do not hesitate to contact me if I can help you in any way.

               Sincerely,

    Nita Lowey
    Member of Congress

    Unfortunately, my correspondence system is unable to receive email replies; however, you can email me here.

     

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  • A LETTER FROM DR. ROBERT B. MCKAY – ARMENIAN ISSUE

    A LETTER FROM DR. ROBERT B. MCKAY – ARMENIAN ISSUE

                                                                                                May 3, 2012

    To:  Leonard Felson and

    Seasons Media, LLC

    P.O. Box 92

    West Simsbury, CT 06092

     

    From:   Bob McKay PhD Advisor to the Southern New England

    Turkish American Association & Former Missionary of the American

    Board of Foreign Missions-now The United Church Board of World

    Ministries.  (1959-1964)  P.O. Box 126, Eastford, CT 06242  Phone:

    860-978-6794

      

    Regarding “A Connecticut Missionary in Turkey-Caroline Hamilton’s Courageous

    Work” by Leonard Felson.

     

    I loved the article “A Connecticut Missionary in Turkey” as all of our three children were born in the Gaziantep American Hospital co-founded by West Hartford’s Caroline Hamilton.  I grew up in nearby Simsbury, attended the Immanuel Congregational Church on Farmington Avenue and after graduation from UConn (trainer of Jonathan IV) was recruited to work in Turkey as a Congregational Church Missionary to teach biology to young Turkish boys at the Tarsus American College by the same mission board that employed Caroline Hamilton.

     

    However, from my own experience in Turkey, research, and participation in international seminars, etc. I found one part of the article misleading and perhaps insensitive to the innocent readers of this magazine article.

     

    The article discusses “Massacres”, “Atrocities”, and “50,000 Armenian Dead”.  This language and the reporting of what happened during  tragic times over 100 years ago is and has been slanted to the Western “Christian” point of view.  Why?  The answer is simple.  In the Ottoman Empire during the turn of the last century many diverse international forces saw an opportunity to acquire various parts of the Ottoman Empire for themselves.  The Armenians were no different.  In order to create an Armenian country for themselves they became terrorists within the Ottoman Empire encouraged and armed by Russia.

     

    In the Ottoman Empire proselytization was not allowed!  Christians could teach and preach to Christians, Jews could teach and preach to Christians and the Muslims could only teach and preach to Muslims.   Thus, when reported to the West, massacres of Muslims by Armenians are almost never mentioned, especially since Christians were reporting the stories from their point of view.  Due to the overall beautiful picture Leonard Felson has created of Caroline Hamilton’s courageous work, in Turkey, I do not wish to belabor this point except to say that during this historic time in history.

     

    1.  About 1/3 of the entire Ottoman Muslim population died of war, disease, or famine and we in the West pass it over as we do the 7 million non-Jewish victims of the holocaust.

    2.   Also while thousands of authors and scholars have looked at this point, the most salient words come from a speech of Hovhannes Kactchaznouni, the first Prime Minister of the Independent Armenian Republic in his epoch report to the 1923 (Armenian) convention.  Copy Enclosed.

     

    Thus, while the subject I discuss is only tangentially related to Mr. Felson’s story, it is nevertheless very important to Turks around the world and to the many Turkish students of the University of Hartford and the families who resides in West Hartford and surrounding areas in Connecticut.

     

     

    Cordially,

     

     

    Robert B. McKay

     

     

     

    Historical Notes:

    Isabel Hemingway (Ernest’s cousin) after leaving the China mission came to Turkey and founded one of the first nurse training programs at the “Gaziantep American Hospital” co-founded by Caroline Hamilton.
    Aintab is the Ottoman name of Gaziantep (Gaziantab).  I believe Kemal Ataturk may have added Gazi as a prefix to the name of the town:  Gazi meaning victory over infidels.

  • Armenian Elections Give Birth to Oligarchy

    Armenian Elections Give Birth to Oligarchy

    serj sargsyan electionsParliamentary elections, which had occupied the daily agenda in Armenia and were expected to lead to new developments, were held last week. According to the final results, five parties are eligible for representation in parliament. Their results in the elections are as follows: the ruling Republican Party (44.05 percent), the Prosperous Armenia Party (30.32 percent), the Armenian National Congress (EUK) (7.07 percent), the Legacy Party (5.76 percent), the Dashnak Party (5.76 percent) and Orinats Yerkir (5.47 percent). Even though the most pressing questions on the election process and the election results refer to transparency issues, the actual issue is the lack of democratization in the former Soviet states. (more…)

  • Armenian ‘G’ claims: A matter of balance and due process

    Armenian ‘G’ claims: A matter of balance and due process

    Hurriyet Daily News, April 28, 2012

    ferruh demirmen

    FERRUH DEMİRMEN

    We have just passed April 24, when Armenians of various walks of life commemorate the anniversary of the arrest of the Armenian intellectuals in Istanbul 97 years ago, alleged to have been the beginning of “Armenian genocide.” So the pundits chastise, woefully, Turkey for “denying” genocide, and demand that Turkey extend an apology and offer restitution (meaning money and land) to the Armenians.

    This is no place to dwell on history to explain why such demands lack rational basis, e.g., if the Ottoman Turks had intent to exterminate the Armenian minority, why they gave Armenian citizens high positions in the government, why they waited for more than 6 centuries – when they were in much better position – to deliberately target Armenians.

    Nor is this the proper place to elaborate why some critical pieces of “evidence” e.g., the Andonian files, that the proponents of genocide cite to support their thesis, were forgeries, or that the orders issued by the Ottoman central government to relocate Armenians proscribed that all measures were to be taken to ensure the safety of the deportees and meet their needs during and after relocation.

    But there are two aspects the proponents of genocide conveniently ignore, that call for special attention: balance and due process.

    Regarding balance, no one denies that Armenians suffered during relocation, and some lost their lives, in a time of war when chaos, lawlessness and depravation prevailed. Surely we must mourn the sufferings and loss of life. But do we ever hear about the sufferings and loss of lives of non-Armenians? During that tragic period more than half a million Muslims – and some Jews – perished at the hands of armed, marauding Armenian gangs that terrorized the countryside and helped invading enemy armies.

    Do the lost lives of Muslims not matter?

    If we are to recall history, do Armenians carry any sense of guilt and culpability for aiding the enemy and terrorizing the local civil population?

    And why do we not hear, one must ask, any remorse on the part of Armenians for the killings by the ASALA organization of more than 40 Turkish diplomats in the 1970’s and ‘80’s?

    As for due process, it must be emphasized that “genocide” is a special crime, and the term should not be used lightly. To quote the 1948 UN Resolution on the Prevention of Genocide, determination on genocide can only be made “by a competent tribunal of the State in the territory of which the act was committed, or by such international penal tribunal as may have jurisdiction.” In the case of the alleged Armenian genocide, there has been no such determination. No court verdict; none, period. The U.N. resolution also makes no attribution to “Armenian genocide.”

    A parliamentary body, often beholden to special interests, and acting as both the prosecutor and judge, is no substitute for a duly authorized court of law.

    So, one must ask, without a court verdict, how can the Turks be accused of the “g” crime? Where is the respect for due process?

    In fact, the only judicial proceeding that comes close to being an international tribunal on the Armenian case is the Malta Tribunal, held by the victorious British after WWI. The proceedings, investigating charges against 144 high-ranking Ottoman officials accused of harming Armenians, failed to bring about a single conviction. Even searching through the U.S. State Department files in Washington D.C. failed to produce any incriminating evidence. Off went the dispatch from the British Embassy to Foreign Secretary Lord Curzon in London: “I regret to inform Your Lordship that there was nothing therein which could be used as evidence against the Turks who are being detained for trial at Malta.” All the detainees were set free and returned to Turkish soil.

    Armenian genocide allegations, apart from being legally unsustainable, create discord and animosity in society. Nearly a century has passed, and it is time to move on toward greater inter-communal harmony.

    Will the Armenian Diaspora take note?

    ferruh@demirmen.com

     

  • French candidate’s trip to Turkey canceled due to his position on Armenian Genocide

    French candidate’s trip to Turkey canceled due to his position on Armenian Genocide

    103225French presidential candidate Gil Taieb failed to visit Turkey and meet with local French community during his campaign due to his position on Israel and the Armenian Genocide.

    After successful trips to Greece and Israel, Taieb had to travel to Istanbul, JSSNews reports.

    It was his second trip to Turkey but it was postponed because of his “active position on Israel and the army, as well as support for the Armenian Genocide recognition, a source told JSSNews.

    A source close to Taieb said he is determined to protect republican values, his commitments and freedom wherever he is.

    via French candidate’s trip to Turkey canceled due to his position on Armenian Genocide | Armenia News – NEWS.am.

  • Ungor: Turkey Has Acknowledged the Armenian Genocide

    Ungor: Turkey Has Acknowledged the Armenian Genocide

    The Armenian Weekly Magazine
    April 2012 

    “Turkey denies the Armenian Genocide” goes a jingle. Yes, the Turkish state’s official policy towards the Armenian Genocide was and is indeed characterized by the “three M’s”: misrepresentation, mystification, and manipulation. But when one gauges what place the genocide occupies in the social memory of Turkish society, even after nearly a century, a different picture emerges. Even though most direct eyewitnesses to the crime have passed away, oral history interviews yield important insights. Elderly Turks and Kurds in eastern Turkey often hold vivid memories from family members or fellow villagers who witnessed or participated in the genocide. This essay is based on countless interviews conducted with the (grand-)children of eye witnesses to the Armenian Genocide. The research results suggest there is a clash between official state memory and popular social memory: The Turkish government is denying a genocide that its own population remembers.

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    Children in Mush (photo by Khatchig Mouradian)

    Oral history in Turkey

    Oral history is an indispensible tool for scholars interested in mass violence. A considerable collection of Armenian and Syriac oral history material has been studied by colleagues.1 The existing body of oral history research in Turkey, though gradually developing, has hardly addressed the genocide. A potential research field was politicized by successive governments and the Turkish Historical Society. Several documentaries about the victimization of Ottoman Muslims in the eastern border regions have included shots of elderly Muslims speaking about their victimization at the hand of Armenians (and presumably Cossacks) in 1918. It seems unmistakable that the Turkish-nationalist camp fears that the local population of Anatolian towns and villages might “confess” the genocide’s veracity and disclose relevant details about it. For example, the 2006 PBS documentary “The Armenian Genocide” by Andrew Goldberg includes remarkable footage of elderly Turks speaking candidly about the genocide. One of the men remembers how his father told him that the génocidaires had mobilized religious leaders to convince the population that killing Armenians would secure them a place in heaven. Another middle-aged man recounts a recollection of his grandfather’s that neighboring Armenian villagers were locked in a barn and burnt alive.2

    In the past decade, I have searched (and found) respondents willing to relate their personal experiences or their family narratives related to the war and the genocide. In the summers of 2002 and 2004-07, I conducted up to 200 interviews with (grand-)children of contemporaries in eastern Turkey, all semi-structured and taped. Needless to say, oral history has its methodological pitfalls, especially in a society where the memory of modern history is overlaid with myth and ideologies. Many are unwilling to reflect about their family histories because they have grown accustomed to ignoring inquisitive and critical questions, not least on their own moral choices in the face of their neighbors’ destruction. Others are reluctant to admit to acts considered shameful.3

    But while some were outright unwilling to speak once I broached the taboo subject, others agreed to speak but wished to remain anonymous, and again many others were happy to speak openly, with some even providing me access to their private documents. Even though direct eyewitnesses to the crime have most probably passed away, these interviews proved fruitful. Elderly Turks and Kurds often remember vivid anecdotes from family members or villagers who witnessed or participated in the massacres. My subject position as a “local outsider” (being born in the region but raised abroad) facilitated the research as it gave me the communicative channels to at once delve deeply and recede at the appropriate moments. It also provided me with a sense of immunity from the dense moral and political field in which most of this research is embedded.

    Turkish and Kurdish eyewitness accounts

    A.D., a Kurdish writer from Varto (Muş), recalled a childhood memory from 1966 when an earthquake laid bare a mass grave near his village. The villagers knew the victims were Armenians from a neighboring village. According to A.D., when the village elder requested advice from the local authorities on what to do, within a day military commanders had assigned a group of soldiers to re-bury the corpses. The villagers were warned to never speak about it again.4

    Interviews with elderly locals also yielded considerable useful data about the genocide itself. For example, a Kurdish man (born 1942) from Diyarbekir’s northern Piran district, had heard from his father how fellow villagers would raid Armenian villages and dispatch their victims by slashing their throats wide open. As they operated with daggers and axes, this often led to decapitations. After the killing was done, the perpetrators could see how the insides of the victims’ windpipes were black because of tobacco use.5 Morbid details such as these are also recorded by the following account from a Kurdish man from the Kharzan region, east of Diyarbekir:

    My grandfather was the village elder (muhtar) during the war. He told us when we were children about the Armenian massacre. There was a man in our village; he used to hunt pheasants. Now the honorless man (bêşerefo) hunted Armenians. Grandpa saw how he hurled a throwing axe right through a child a mother was carrying on her back. Grandpa yelled at him: “Hey, do you have no honor? God will punish you for this.” But the man threatened my grandfather that if he did not shut up, he would be next. The man was later expelled from the village.6

    Here is another account from a Turkish woman (born 1928) from Erzincan:

    Q: You said there were Armenians in your village, too. What happened to them?

    A: They were all killed in the first year of the war, you didn’t know? My mother was standing on the hill in front of our village. She saw how at Kemah they threw (döktüler) all the Armenians into the river. Into the Euphrates. Alas, screams and cries (bağıran çağıran). Everyone, children and all (çoluk çocuk), brides, old people, everyone, everyone. They robbed them of their golden bracelets, their shawls, and silk belts, and threw them into the river.

    Q: Who threw them into the river?

    A: The government of course.

    Q: What do you mean by ‘the government’?

    A: Gendarmes.7

    These examples suggest that there still might be something meaningful gained from interviews with elderly Turks and Kurds. Needless to say, had a systematic oral history project been carried out in Turkey much earlier, e.g. in the 1960’s or 1970’s, undoubtedly a wealth of crucial information could have been salvaged. Besides the excellent research conducted in Turkey by colleagues such as Leyla Neyzi, Ayşe Gül Altınay, and others, interviews by individual researchers are at best a drop in the ocean. A measured research project with a solid book as output would be a memorable achievement for the centenary of the genocide.

    Discussion

    When I was traveling from Ankara to Adana in the summer of 2004, I stopped by the friendly town of Ereğli, north of the Taurus mountain range. My friend, an academic visiting his family, had invited me along. Strolling through the breezy town, we came across one of my friend’s acquaintances, an “Uncle Fikri.” The old man looked sad, so we asked him what was wrong. He said, “My father has been on his deathbed for a few days now.” When we tried to console him, he answered: “I’m not sad because he will die, he has been sick for a while now. I just cannot accept that he refuses to recite the Kelime-i Shehadet before he passes on.” (Shahadah, the Muslim declaration of belief: “There is no God but Allah and Muhammed is his Prophet.”) The man looked deep into our eyes, there was an awkward silence for four seconds, we understood each other, and we parted.

    In this example, only two generations separated us from the eyewitness generation. Therefore, I believe there might still be avenues for oral history research on the genocide. Father Patrick Desbois is a French Catholic priest who travels to Ukraine in a concerted effort to document the Shoah through the use of oral history. His team locates mass graves and interviews contemporary witnesses about the mass shootings of Jews, which often took place just outside the Ukrainian villages they visit. The elderly respondents usually remember the slaughter in vivid detail.8 Desbois’ work on Ukraine has proven helpful in completing the already comprehensive picture historians have of Nazi mass murder in that region. During a private conversation, Desbois intimated that he would be interested in launching a similar project in Turkey, if a viable initiative was proposed.9 It might be worthwhile to gauge what place the Armenian Genocide occupies in the social memory of Turks and Kurds, even after nearly a century. The conclusion would undoubtedly warrant my introductory comment: The Turkish government is denying a genocide that its own population remembers.

    Endnotes

    1. Donald E. Miller and Lorne Touryan-Miller, Survivors: An Oral History of the Armenian Genocide, Berkeley: University of California Press, 1993; David Gaunt, Massacres, Resistance, Protectors: Muslim-Christian Relations in Eastern Anatolia during World War I, Piscataway, NJ: Gorgias Press, 2006, appendix; Ayşe Gül Altınay and Fethiye Çetin, Torunlar (Istanbul: Metis, 2009).

    2. Andrew Goldberg, “The Armenian Genocide,” Two Cats Productions, 2006.

    3. For parallel problems in Russian history, see Orlando Figes, The Whisperers: Private Life in Stalin’s Russia, London: Penguin, 2007, p. XXXV.

    4. Interview conducted with A.D. (from Varto district) in Heidelberg, Germany, Nov. 24, 2009.

    5. Interview conducted with M.Ş. (from Piran district) in Diyarbakır, July 15, 2004.

    6. Interview conducted with Erdal Rênas (from the Kharzan area) in Istanbul, Aug. 18, 2002.

    7. Interview conducted with K.T. (from Erzincan) in Bursa on June 28, 2002 and Aug. 20 2007, partially screened in the documentary “Land of our Grandparents” (Amsterdam: Zelović Productions, 2008).

    8.Patrick Desbois, Porteur de Mmémoires: sur les Traces de la Shoah par Balles, Paris: Michel Lafon, 2007. Also, see www.shoahparballes.com.

    9. Personal communication with Patrick Desbois at the conference “The Holocaust by Bullets,” organized by the Amsterdam Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies at the Nationaal Museum Vught (Netherlands), Sept. 11, 2009.