Author: Aylin D. Miller

  • Billionaire Kirk Kerkorian funding a film about the Armenian genocide

    Billionaire Kirk Kerkorian funding a film about the Armenian genocide

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    The one time owner of MGM may be 97 years old but that hasn’t stopped Kirk Kerkorian from living out one of his dreams; to fund an historical epic, akin to REDS or DR. ZHIVAGO, dealing with the Armenian genocide. Showbiz 411 reports that an Oscar nominated director and screenwriter has already signed on to the project which has attracted a variety of actors; none of which are named as Kerkorian is hoping to keep this film a secret for the time being.

    The Armenian genocide primarily occurred during and after World War I when the Ottoman Empire sought to completely exterminate the Armenian people. Large scale massacres took place and the people who survived those were forced on long death marches which left an estimated 1.5 to 2 million Armenians dead.

    The as yet untitled film, which is said to be a “a sweeping World War I romance set against the Armenian genocide”, should begin shooting this summer in Europe. There have been few films that chronicle this atrocity, let alone ones with a big-budget, so I hope Kerkovian’s film manages to shine a new light on struggles of the Armenian people.

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    One of the only “mainstream” films I can think of which deals with the Armenian genocide in some form would be Atom Egoyan’s ARARAT.
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    EXCLUSIVE Billionaire Kirk Kerkorian, 97, Funding Epic Feature Film About Armenian Genocide

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    Kirk Kerkorian is 97 years old and worth $4 billion. The one time owner of MGM, and wealthy Las Vegas real estate and casino over ( he also owned the MGM Grand), is not done, however. He still has one more wish. My sources tell me that Kerkorian is funding a secret feature film about the Armenian genocide that took place concurrent with World War I.

    The Ottoman Empire, precursor to the country known as Turkey, killed around 1.5 million to people in the effort to destroy Armenia and establish itself. Kerkorian is hoping to produce the Armenian “Schindler’s List” to memorialize the holocaust.

    There is already an Oscar nominated director and screenwriter signed to the project. Various actors’ names have come up, and some of that may become clear soon. The movie is described to me by the director– who’s asked me not to reveal his name yet– as a “Reds” or “Dr. Zhivago”, a sweeping World War I romance set against the Armenian genocide.

    Kerkorian, who’s always been fascinated with Hollywood, is said to have contributed over $1 billion to Armenian charities and causes over his long life time.

    I’ll have some more info on this soon. For now expect the still untitled film to begin shooting this summer in Europe. And the budget should be pretty big, considering there’s one backer. This movie has the potential to be something on a large historic scale, unseen for many years.

    And PS,  I am assured that the Kardashians, the most famous Armenian Americans since the great writer William Saroyan, will be not be appearing in the film under any circumstances.

     

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    Roger Friedman
    Roger Friedman began his Showbiz411 column in April 2009 after 10 years with Fox News. He writes for Parade magazine and has written for Details, Vogue, the New York Times, Post, and Daily News and many other publications. He is the writer and co-producer of “Only the Strong Survive,” a selection of the Cannes, Sundance, and Telluride Film festivals.
  • TURKISH FORUM NEVER GIVES UP: BILGI UNIVERSITY CANCELS THE SO CALLED ARMENIAN GENOCIDE CONFERENCE !

    It was in March that Bilgi University of Istanbul had announced earlier that it would be hosting a conference on the so-called Armenian Genocide. However, due to lots of external pressures coming from the NGOs including the Turkish Forum-World Turkish Alliance, Istanbul Bilgi University made a statement regarding the blocking of the conference titled “The Armenian Genocide: Concepts and Comparative Perspectives” that had been planned to be held at the university on April 26.

    Turkish Forum had acted in line with its mission and carried out a thorough research as to how to block such a pejorative conference where only speakers representing the Armenian perspective were invited. It was very ironical that in our own homeland, nobody, not even one scholar was invited to present the Turkish perspective or rather the truth about these false claims. The thorough research reaped its benefits, and Turkish Forum officials found the proper address to express their concerns to. The University has always been proud of its connections to Laureate University System, and that’s where they get their accreditation from. Such an institution which is proud of its excellence in learning would not nor could not tolerate the university hosting such conferences that caused unrest and hatred in the society. The university needs students for survival and not such biased conferences. And hence a letter was sent to the head of this System expressing the fears and doubts of not only the Turkish Forum but the Turkish people. Hence the following letter was sent.

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    Based on the news that appeared on AGOS webpage, Bilgi University had released a statement saying that despite being announced in March via the University web site, the Dean’s Office announced to the organizers of the conference that this conference could not be held at the university. When a clear answer was not provided for the reason of the cancellation, organizers applied to the Rector’s Office, and received the same response. It is believed that the blocking of the conference is due to its title. This is a very naive approach, but the organizers should have kept their equal stance to both perspective and not just let one side dominate the entire conference.

    As has always been the case, Turkish Forum contributed to the blocking of this conference and shall continue to work for the Turkish cause regardless of how much time and energy is needed to accomplish its mission of being at the service of the Turkish people.

     

     

  • Piri Reis Mapmaker Of The World

    Piri Reis Mapmaker Of The World

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    Piri Reis Mapmaker Of  The World documentary has been produced on one of the great mariners of all times, Piri Reis who had an extraordinary and adventurous life. The professional research has been going from, Topkapi Palace archives to Vatican Secret archives from Venice, Geneva, Italy to Salamanca, Spain, to Lisbon Portugal with this extended historic research, using actual shootings and dramatic elements as well. At this Age of Discovery’s special period was also a natural set of Piri Reis’s extraordinary and eventful life. The documentary will examine the life of this great cartographer and captain who so marked the course of science and humanity. The story would extended by conquer stories of world famous explorers, Marco Polo to Cristopher Columbus and Piri Reis with a very dynamic and global perspective.

    Drama Belgesel Film / Drama Documentary

    75 Dakika / 75 Min.

    Türkçe, İngilizce, İtalyanca / Turkish, English, Italian

    ( İspanyolca ve Portekizce / Spanish and Portuguese)

    Oyuncular / Cast

    Mehmet Günsür ( Piri Reis )

    Riccardo Scamarcio ( Kristof Kolomb )

    Deniz Özdoğan ( Ester )

    Orijinal Müzik / Original Music

    Can Atilla (composer)

    Yaklaşık 10 yıldır, global araştırmaları süregelen belgeselin, prodüksiyon aşamasına geçilmek üzeredir. 2015 Yılında tamamlanacak olan belgeselin, sinema gösterimi de planlanmaktadır.

    After 10 years of professional research and interviews of experts, we are ready to continue for the drama production. We’re intending to conclude the project in 2015 soon after, planning to go for the cinemas as well.

    Desteklerinizi Bekliyoruz! / We need your support!

    Uzun çalışmaların sonunda ortaya çıkan bu belgeselin son hazırlıklarını tamamlayabilmemiz için desteklerinizi bekliyoruz! Bizleri destekleyerek belgeselin daha hızlı bir şekilde hayata geçmesini sağlayabilir, sizin için hazırladığımız özel ödüllere ulaşabilirsiniz!

    Projemizin duyurulması ve tanıtılması için yapacağınız her paylaşım bizim için ayrıca çok değerli olacaktır.

    All these times effort and pre-production, now we need your support as well. With your special contribution, you can help as to wrap up the documentary faster. You can also reach our very special awards as well!

    We would kindly appreciate your shares for publicity and the social media too.

    Şimdiden çok teşekkür ederiz! / Thank you for your contributions!

    DESTEKLEYENLER / SUPPORTERS

    1. C. Kültür ve Turizm Bakanlığı

    Tofaş / Fiat

    TEŞEKKÜRLER / THANK YOU

    Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri Komutanlığı / Turkish Naval Forces

    Vatikan Gizli Arşivleri / Vatican Secret Archives

    Ca Foscari Üniversitesi, Venedik / University of Ca Foscari ,Venice

    Arsenal Araştırma Merkezi, Venedik / Arsenal Research Center, Venice

    Cenova Belediyesi / Municipality of Genova

    İtalyan, İspanyol ve Hollanda Konsolosları / Ambassy of Italy, Spain and Netherlands

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  • Ambassador ( R) Şükrü M.  Elekdağ’ s letter to    President Obama

    Ambassador ( R) Şükrü M. Elekdağ’ s letter to President Obama

    I am submitting herewith  Ambassador ( R) Şükrü M.  Elekdağ’ s letter to    President Obama for the information of Turkish Forum readers with my best regards.  Orhan Tan

    İstanbul, 9 April, 2015

    His Excellency

    Barack Obama

    President of the United States of America

    Washington D.C.

    USA

    Dear Mr. President,

    I would like first to applaud you for the exemplary leadership, seriousness of purpose and perseverance that you have displayed during the process of negotiations which led to the framework agreement with Iran. This is a diplomatic triumph of historic dimension. The final agreement, once achieved, promises to solidify the non-proliferation regime and significantly contribute to peace and stability in the Middle East and the world. The achievement of the framework agreement also gives hope that critical issues prevailing in the area may be solved with a constructive, unprejudiced and fair approach.

    Mr. President,

    May I suggest that you similarly approach your preparations for what seems to have become a traditional April 24th statement affecting Armenian-Turkish relations. This would almost assuredly be preferable to and have a far more constructive impact than your annual statements of the last seven years on this matter. These statements have in no way contributed to an authentic resolution of historical controversies, but have instead exacerbated Turkish-Armenian relations. Although your statements omitted the highly charged word “genocide”, you have employed the expression “metz yeghern” which is the exact translation of “genocide” in the Armenian language. As a matter of fact, your statement last year said “Today we commemorate Meds Yeghern and honor those who perished in one of the worst atrocities of the 20th century” and thereby, in effect, reprised the expression “Armenian genocide” that you used frequently during your first election campaign.

    Mr. President,

    In addition to being a world statesman of the first rank, you are also justifiably regarded as a distinguished scholar of law, having graduated from the world renown Harvard Law School and having instructed law as a senior lecturer at a prominent university. In light of these qualifications, we are particularly perplexed by your characterizations of historically controversial events that took place a century ago in terms that are incompatible with the universal principles of law as well as provisions of the U.S. Constitution and U.S. national law.

    “Genocide” is an international crime codified in an international legal instrument, the “Convention for the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide”. This was adopted unanimity by the United Nations General Assembly in 1948 and subsequently became the supreme law of the U.S., as stipulated by Article VI of the Constitution pursuant to its ratification by the U.S. Senate. Article II of the Genocide Convention delineates the crime of “genocide” and prescribes the objective/material and subjective/mental elements which should be proven for the existence of the crime. To incriminate a person with the crime of “genocide” or for state responsibility to arise, together with the existence of these two elements of the crime, the fact that the crime has been committed with specific intent must be proven and a competent court must ascertain that the crime has been perpetrated. The Convention’s Article VI specifies that the competent judicial authority is the competent court of the state in the territory of which the alleged act was committed, or an international penal tribunal, the jurisdiction of which has been accepted by the parties. Article IX of the Convention provides that the states can take disputes on matters relating to “genocide” which arise between them to the International Court of Justice.

    Mr. President,

    Consequently, unless the existence of the material and mental elements of the crime as well as its execution with the specific intent have been proven, and unless the perpetration of the crime has been determined by a competent court, a charge of “genocide” leveled against a person or a state has no legal value and only constitutes a defamation.

    Until today no accused has ever been incriminated with the crime of “genocide” or with the “crime against humanity”, which is a crime as odious as “genocide”, without a decision of a competent international criminal court. Indeed, the Nuremberg International Penal Military Tribunal, after a long trial process, found guilty the leaders of the German Nazis accused of “crimes against humanity” and sentenced 22 of them to death. Furthermore, those incriminated of “genocide” for the events which occurred during the Rwanda and Yugoslavia conflicts have been tried and convicted by the Rwanda and Yugoslavia international penal tribunals. As is known, both tribunals are ad hoc courts which had been set up by decisions of the UN Security Council. Saddam Hussein, who was charged with crimes against humanity, was tried and convicted in an Iraqi Special Court which was established in line with the principle of due process of law.

    Mr. President,

    I am certain that you hold dear the concept of the presumption of innocence whose roots go back to Magna Carta. Article 11 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which was adopted in 1948 by the United Nations General Assembly by unanimity, describes the principle of presumption of innocence as follows:

     “(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defense. 

    “(2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.”

    This principle is set forth in the European Human Rights Convention, Article 6 paragraph

    “(3) “Everyone charged with a criminal offence shall be presumed innocent until proven guilty according to law.”

    The principle of presumption of innocence is also guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution which prescribes that “No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime” unless tried fairly and indicted by a court.

    Therefore, Mr. President, wouldn’t it be a gross injustice and a grave violation of the principle of the presumption of innocence to heap accusations on Turkey for disputed events of the past?

    Mr. President,

    As you would agree, the principle of legality, which is as old as the concept of law itself, is a basic concept in both international and national justice. According to this principle, an act is not recognized as a crime unless it is legally defined before the act was committed. “Genocide”, as a word, as a concept, and as a codified international crime, did not exist in 1915. After being defined for the first time by the U.N. General Assembly document 96 (I) on 11 December 1946, it was codified by the U.N. Genocide Convention on December 9, 1948.

    Consequently Mr. President, by leveling accusations of the crime of “genocide” (directly during your campaign speeches and indirectly in your 2014 remembrance day statement) haven’t you contravened the two dimensions of this principle expressed by the maxims: nullum crimen sine lege, and nulla poena sine lege – there is no crime without a law, and no punishment without a law?

    Mr. President,

    The judgments made in your statement appear to us to violate the spirit of the U.S. Constitution which espouses the principle of legality in its Article I, Section 9 by forbidding the passage of ex post facto criminal laws and bans retrospective criminal sanction. We also must note that President Thomas Jefferson, in his August 13, 1821, letter to Isaac McPherson, asserted that “ex post facto laws are against natural right”. This shows that an abhorrence of retroactive application of laws in criminal justice has a deep-rooted legal history in the U.S.

    Moreover, the principle of legality is equally prescribed by Article 28 of the 1969 Vienna Convention of the Law of Treaties under the heading, “Non Retroactivity of the Treaties”.

    Mr. President,

    In light of the foregoing irrefutable points, certain concerns and questions inescapably arise.

    What are we to infer from the statement you might make this year regarding the disputed events of 1915, if this statement includes the word “genocide” or, echoing your 2014 statement, employs the word’s exact Armenian translation “metz yeghern” and alleges the massacre of the 1.5 million Armenians?

    Wouldn’t such a statement flagrantly violate and flout universal principles of law, international law and the U.S. Constitution? And, to what possible worthy end?

    Wouldn’t it constitute for the Turkish people and their forebears a judgment without trial?

    Wouldn’t the Turkish people consider this gross injustice inflicted on them as the outcome of narrow domestic political calculus, heedless of basic fairness and shared U.S. – Turkish interests?

    Wouldn’t the imputation of historical guilt upon the people of Turkey and upon their forebears, who themselves suffered enormous losses and were exposed to unbearable pains during those tragic times, be at utter odds with your stated proposal before our Parliament to build a model partnership between the United States and Turkey?

    Mr. President,

    Historian Arthur Ponsonby penetratingly discusses the terrible and enduring effects of war propaganda that persist for generations in “Falsehood in Wartime”:

    The injection of the poison of hatred into men’s minds by means of falsehood is a greater evil in wartime than the actual loss of life. The defilement of the human soul is worse than the destruction of the human body.”

    I think that Arthur Ponsonby’s cogent words are valid now and will remain valid in the future. What we need today, more than ever, is an international environment that we can hand over to our children and future generations – a world where peace, security, tolerance, friendship and good will reign, instead of prejudices, hatred and passions for revenge.

    For this reason, Mr. President, I must urge you to avoid being influenced by superficial stereotypes regarding the events of 1915 that are rooted in large part in the deliberate wartime propaganda efforts of the World War I Allies. I ask that you foster impartiality and avoid contributing to a deepening of the wounds suffered by the Turkish and Armenian nations in this enormous human tragedy.

    In this context, the best course for the U.S. should be, in line with an ethical and evenhanded approach, to encourage the parties to bring to light and to clarify the obscure and ambiguous aspects of the conflict between the Ottoman State and the Armenians.

    This, I respectfully submit, would best be accomplished by employing a common, scientifically disciplined research effort by Turks and Armenians regarding their mutual history and by completely opening their archives to examination by a Joint Historical Commission established for this purpose and composed of Turkish and Armenian scholars.

    In view of this, Mr. President, a truly constructive and historically valid commemoration of the events of 1915 would be for you to voice your support publicly for the formation of such a Joint Historical Commission and thus open the way of peace and reconciliation to the Turkish and Armenian peoples on the basis of goodwill and truth.

    I am submitting these views to your consideration trusting that you will examine them with objectivity and fairness.

    With my deepest respect,

    Dr. Şükrü M. Elekdağ

    Former Ambassador to the USA

    Former Undersecretary of State at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs

    Former member of the Grand National Assembly of the Republic of Turkey

    Deputy from Istanbul

  • Flash News! Ed Miliband’s Secret Relationship Revealed

    Flash News! Ed Miliband’s Secret Relationship Revealed

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    Ed Miliband was dating senior BBC economics journalist Stephanie Flanders when he was at the Treasury

    Mr Miliband was still seeing Stephanie Flanders, who at the time was BBC Newsnight’s economics editor, until as late as March 2004, years later than previously thought

    According to The Telegraph, Ed Miliband was in a relationship with a senior BBC economics journalist while working at the Treasury, it has emerged after his wife admitted being “furious” about the “secret” romance.

    Mr Miliband was still seeing Stephanie Flanders, who at the time covered economics for BBC Newsnight, until as late as March 2004, years later than previously thought.

    At the time he was a special adviser to Gordon Brown, the Chancellor of the Exchequer.

    The news was disclosed by Justine Thornton, Mr Miliband’s wife, in an interview with the Daily Mirror on Thursday.

    She said: “I first met Ed when I went to a friend’s house for dinner. I was interested in him, I thought he was good looking and clever and seemed to be unattached. But we just went down a conversational cul-de-sac.

    “Apparently we had nothing in common. He wanted to talk about economics – one of my least favourite subjects.”

    She continued: “None of our conversations went anywhere. Then I found out he was secretly going out with the woman who had invited us for dinner. I was furious.

    “I bumped into him a couple of times after that, but we didn’t start seeing each other for at least a year.”
    It had been thought that Miss Flanders and Mr Miliband were in a relationship in the mid-1990s, around the time that Miss Flanders was with Ed Balls, now the shadow Chancellor.

    Miss Thornton did not put a date on the dinner party in her interview. But a 2011 biography said that the pair met at the dinner party in March 2004.

    Commenting on the interview, John Rentoul, a leading political commentator and biographer of Tony Blair, asked in a post on Twitter why Miss Thornton had not said that the host of the dinner was Miss Flanders.

    Miss Flanders, 46, joined BBC Newsnight in 1999 as its economics correspondent, rising to become the programme’s economics editor. She became the BBC’s economics editor in 2008. She left in November 2013 to take up a job with American bank JP Morgan.

    BBC guidelines state: “Staff must declare any active political involvement on the Declaration of Personal Interest form.

    “In some cases it will also be appropriate to declare the political activities of family members or other close personal contacts.”

    A BBC spokesman declined to say if Miss Flanders had informed the corporation at the time of her relationship with Mr Miliband, saying: “We wouldn’t comment on former staff members personnel details.”

    Mr Miliband was a special adviser to Mr Brown between 1997 and 2002. He then spent a year at Harvard University on sabbatical before returning as the chairman of the Treasury’s council of economic advisers in January 2004.

    A Labour spokesman declined to comment, and Miss Flanders declined to respond to requests from The Telegraph for comment.

    The Cabinet Office said it did not believe there was a requirement for special advisers to declare their relationships with journalists.

    Miss Flanders was asked in 2011 if there was “any truth in the rumour that you dated both Ed Balls and Ed Miliband”.

    She replied: “I’m not going to go there. It’s widely known that I took Ed Balls’s job at the FT, and it’s true that I’ve known these people for a long time, and people can draw their own conclusions.

    “But whether or not you’ve sort of snogged them at whatever moment just seems completely mad.”

    Asked if it made it harder to give “a proper grilling” as a journalist to “old friends or lovers”, he said: “I don’t think so.

    “If you think back on your past friendships and/or relationships, these things can go either way. You could be tougher!

    “I know Jeremy Paxman has said he actively shuns friendships with politicians. I think I see all these people less than I might have done, because I don’t want to be in that situation of having been for dinner in their house two days before I give them a grilling on Newsnight or whatever.”

    Miss Flanders left the BBC in September 2013 to join JP Morgan Asset Management as chief market strategist for Europe, and was replaced by Robert Peston, who at the time was business editor.

    Miss Flanders and her partner John Arlidge, a national newspaper journalist, have a son, born in 2006, and a daughter, born in 2008.

    BBC guidelines state: “Staff must declare any active political involvement on the Declaration of Personal Interest form.

    “In some cases it will also be appropriate to declare the political activities of family members or other close personal contacts.”

    A BBC spokesman declined to say if Miss Flanders had informed the corporation at the time of her relationship with Mr Miliband.

    He said: “We wouldn’t comment on former staff members personnel details.”

  • Letter to Robert Fisk (The Independent)

    Letter to Robert Fisk (The Independent)

    Dear Mr. Fisk,

    Re: You article “the Christian Tragedy in the Middle East did not begin with ISIS”, 05.04.2015

        https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-christian-tragedy-in-the-middle-east-did-not-begin-with-isis-10157239.html

    I have read your article “the Christian Tragedy in the Middle East did not begin with ISIS”. I was rather disappointed by your article as I have read many balanced articles from you over passed years.  A long article of hate towards the Muslims and Turks in general, an evil cocktail of lies camouflaged as objective analysis, and based on the so-called; Persecution of Christians, and that great deception, the Armenian “Genocide”. So much rubbish and unprecedented bias that I do not really know where to start answering them all. I guess this was your contribution to Harut Sassounian’s Vendettal against the Turks.

    The Turkish side of the story, long dismissed, ignored, or deliberately silenced, will now be heard whether you like it or not!. Armenian agitation, propaganda, deception, terrorism, treason, revolts, territorial demands, and the resulting Muslim, mostly Turkish, losses must be included in the treatment of the Turkish-Armenian conflict. Only then can a more balanced, reasoned, civilized dialogue  take place. Turko-phobia and Islamo-phobia should also herewith be checked.

    Armenians prospered greatly under the protection of Ottoman Turks. They were dubbed as the “Loyal Tribe” by the Ottoman Sultans. The Jews too, after being saved from the Spanish enjoyed 500 years of peaceful coexistence with the Turks.

    Mr. Fisk; allow me to remind you what the Syrian Patriarch Georgios III said in Vienna during the East-West Church Conference last October.

    “ The Christians of Syria, just like those of Iraq were living peacefully, until the external interventions (Interventionen von aussen) came”. History also tells us the external attacks by Russia, France, Italy, Greece and the UK have brought calamities on the Christian communities, including the Armenians as the Ottoman empire collapsed.

    It is quite acceptable – almost de-Rigueur – to express vehement anti-Turkish

    Sentiments in Western media without being accused of racism. Indeed to disagree with these sentiments is to invite suspicion. No wonder the Turks feel misunderstood and unfairly treated.

    Mr. Fisk, how come you did not mention more recent Christian achievements such as Srebrenica in July 1995 (8.000 Muslims killed in the presence of Dutch UN soldiers) and Khojaly Massacre in Feb. 1992 (613 civilians, including 106 women and 83 children)? You also, Sir, failed to mention how many Muslims America killed in Iraq and Afghanistan!

    Shame that you have such a selective memory Mr. Fisk! Quite apart from anything else, you displayed a poverty of knowledge and Judgement which disqualifies you as an international journalist.

    Yours sincerely

    Kufi Seydali, M.Sc., DIC.