EXPECTATION FOR A DISASTER –

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   Artin

   August 24, 2012

   CIA Confirms Armenian Ownership Of Lands 10/30/2003

   CIA Confirms Armenian Ownership
   Of Karabagh and Lands in Turkey

   By Harut Sassounian
   Publisher, The California Courier

   The Central Intelligence Agency publishes each year a report called “World
   Factbook” which contains comprehensive information on the geography,
   population, government, economy, communications, transportation, and the
   military of more than 200 countries and territories. The Factbook can also
   be read on CIA’s web site:
   http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/am.html.

   Even though no secrets are disclosed in this public document, it is still
   interesting to see how the CIA presents certain facts and issues regarding
   Armenia, Karabagh, Azerbaijan, and Turkey. In the chapter on Armenia, the
   Factbook provides the following “background” information:

   “Armenia prides itself on being the first nation to formally adopt
   Christianity (early 4th century). Despite periods of autonomy, over the
   centuries Armenia came under the sway of various empires including the
   Roman, Byzantine, Arab, Persian, and Ottoman. It was incorporated into
   Russia in 1828 and the USSR in 1920. Armenian leaders remain preoccupied by
   the long conflict with Muslim Azerbaijan over Nagorno-Karabakh, a primarily
   Armenian-populated region, assigned to Soviet Azerbaijan in the 1920s by
   Moscow. Armenia and Azerbaijan began fighting over the area in 1988; the
   struggle escalated after both countries attained independence from the
   Soviet Union in 1991. By May 1994, when a cease-fire took hold, Armenian
   forces held not only Nagorno-Karabakh but also a significant portion of
   Azerbaijan proper. The economies of both sides have been hurt by their
   inability to make substantial progress toward a peaceful resolution.”

   It is interesting to note that the CIA devotes more than two-thirds of the
   “background” information on Armenia to Karabagh, indicating CIA’s special
   attention to that region. By stating that Karabagh was “assigned to Soviet
   Azerbaijan in the 1920s by Moscow,” the CIA is confirming the Armenian
   position that Karabagh was historically a part of Armenia. Finally, by
   referring to the territories surrounding Karabagh — but not to Karabagh
   itself — as “Azerbaijan proper,” the CIA reinforces its acknowledgement
   that Karabagh is not part of Azerbaijan.

   Even more interesting is the following paragraph under the title of
   “disputes”: “Armenia supports ethnic Armenian secessionists in
   Nagorno-Karabakh and militarily occupies 16% of Azerbaijan — Organization
   for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) continues to mediate dispute;
   border with Turkey remains closed over Nagorno-Karabakh dispute; traditional
   demands regarding former Armenian lands in Turkey have subsided; ethnic
   Armenian groups in Javakheti region of Georgia seek greater autonomy, closer
   ties with Armenia.”

   The above paragraph contains three false assertions: 1) Armenia does not
   occupy 16% of Azerbaijan. Karabagh Armenians (with support from Armenia)
   liberated themselves from the tyranny of Azerbaijan; 2) the Armenians of
   Karabagh are not “secessionists.” They seek self-determination — a right
   recognized by the United Nations; and 3) Contrary to the CIA’s assertion
   (which were also made in the earlier editions of the “World Factbook”),
   Armenian demands for their historic lands from Turkey have not “subsided.”
   The Treaty of Sevres recognized the territories occupied by Turkey as
   Armenian lands. The borders of a much larger Armenia were drawn by Pres.
   Woodrow Wilson. It is comforting that the CIA acknowledges that these
   territories did belong to Armenia by referring to them as “former Armenian
   lands in Turkey.”

   In another CIA document (“Resolving conflicts in the Caucasus and Moldova:
   perspectives on next steps”), a distinguished panel of exper ts contradicted
   those who say that time is on Azerbaijan’s side in the Karabagh conflict.
   The panel members made the following very interesting observations:

   “Some observers see substantial strengths in the Armenian position, since
   the Armenians occupy the territory and over time their possession may be
   consolidated in de facto terms. Although Azerbaijan has the economic
   advantage, economic indicators may not be a deciding factor for at least
   three reasons:
   1) Azerbaijan’s relative economic strength is also its vulnerability
   since the Armenians understand that another war will interfere with
   petroleum transport, undermine regional investment, and compromise
   Azerbaijan’s economic momentum;
   2) Many Armenians have concluded on the basis of their troubled
   history that they cannot safely reside in territory controlled by
   Azerbaijan, and they are consequently resolute;
   3) Armenians are prepared to sustain high levels of suffering. The
   rhetoric of Azeri hard-liners may therefore accomplish little beyond
   reducing Armenian’s capacity for compromise. One of the difficulties in the
   conflict is that both parties regard time as being on their side. In each
   case, this is a fallacy. Yet it is difficult for either party to see around
   a long history of mutual grievance and mistrust.”

   Armenians should make it clear to the whole world that their demands for
   their historical lands in Turkey, Karabagh or elsewhere, are as valid as
   ever, and not “subsiding!”

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2. 

   Artin

   August 24, 2012

   THIS IS SO IMMATURE THAT THE TURKISH FORUM ADVISORY BOARD MEMBER WOULD TRY TO DICTATE ARTICLES THAT ARE UNREALSITIC TO BEGIN WITH I THINK YOU SHOULD DO MORE HOMEWORK AND CHECK OUT THE CIA FACTBOOK BEFORE TRYING ACT TO BE A BOARD MEMBER OF A FORUM THAT IS BEING READ WORLWIDE, MAYBE YOUR SO CALLED TURKISH POLITICS ARE RUNNING OUT OF LIES BUT REST ASSURE IN THE INTERNET ERA EVERYTHING IS ON THE TABLE AND SOONER OR LATER YOU AND YOUR GOVERNEMNT WILL WITH NO OTHER CHOICE RECOGNISE THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE AND WESTERN ARMENIAN LANDS THAT WAS RECOGNISED BUT OUR GREAT PRESIDENT OF THE GREAT UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WODDROE WILSON.
3. 

   Artin

   August 24, 2012

   YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN BY NOW YOU CLAIM EXPECTATION OF A DISASTER BUT THE DISASTER IS WHAT YOU BROUGHT UPON US WITH YOUR CROOKED IDEOLOGY AND IT IS BACKFIRING ON YOU AND DONT FORGET YOU ARE THE SAME COUNTRY THAT YOU DENIED OUR ARMED FORCES OF THE GREAT UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO ENTER IRAQ SHOULD I REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, AS YOU CAN SEE YOU ARE THE ONE THAT ARE IN PANICK NOW BECASUE THE TRUTH ALWAYS HERTS BUT REST ASSURE THAT THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE JUST LIKE THE DOVES ARE SET FREE DURING WEDDINGS, AND I’M SURE YOU SEEN THE WHITE DOVES FLYING LIKE A FREE BIRDS AGAIN AND GOING BACK TO THEIR HOMES AND YOU SHOULD FEEL THE SAME WAY, BELEIVE ME THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE GOING THRU RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF WHAT YOUR ANCESTORS DID BUT YOUR COUNTRY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS AND LOOK AT THE TURKISH COURTS AFTER THE GENOCIDE HOW MANY PASHAS WERE CONVICTED FOR THE CRIME OF GENOCIDE AGAQINS THE ARMENIAN PEOPLE, YET AT THE SAME TIME WE WERE THE DOCTORS AND TEACHERS AND LAYWERS IN TURKEY AND WE WERE THE USTAS AND MUSICIANS IN TURKEY SHOULD I GO ON I THINK I WILL WAIT FOR YOUR REPLY JUST TO SEE EXACTLY IT WILL TURN OUT.
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