WINDOWS INTO TURKEY LECTURE BY FATMA MUGE GOCEK OF UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN
CUNY Queens Kolej’de Turk Ogrenci Dernegimize Destek Cagrisi -Ermeni Paneli Onemli
New York Sehir Universitesine bagli Queens Kolejinde Dr Fatma Gocek adli sozde akademisyen Ermeni tezlerini savunan bir programda konusacaktir. Turk Ogrenci Dernegimize destek ve ordaki Ermeni yogunlugunu bastirma amaci ile Turk Amerikan Dernekleri Federasyonu ve bazi Dernek Temsilcilerimiz ile bu programa katilacagiz. Bu bilgiyi, programa katilmak isteyen Dernek Temsilcilerine ve uyelerinede duyurmak istedik.
Queens Koleji Turkiyeyi yilin ulkesi ilan etmesine ragmen boyle bir hata yapmasi kabul edilemez.
Ayrica, TADF olarak Okul Yonetimine kinama mektubu hazirlanmaktadir.
Who : DR. FATMA GOCEK -Ottoman Past, Turkish Present, and the Collective Violence against the Armenians, 1789-2009
Date/Time : Wednesday, April 25, 2012, 7:15 pm
Address: Queens College Center for Ethnic, Racial, and Religious Understanding (C.E.R.R.U). – Rosenthal 230 / 65-30 Kissena Blvd. Flushing, NY 11367
Saygilarimizla,
ALI CINAR
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Turk Amerikan Dernekleri Federasyonu
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SOME BACKGROUND INFO FOR ATTERNDEES
Captain Emory Niles and Mr. Arthur Sutherland were Americans ordered by the United States Government (in 1919) to investigate the situation in eastern Anatolia. Their report was to be used as the basis for granting relief aid to the Armenians by the American Committee for Near East Relief. The following is an excerpt from their report.
“…Villages said to have been Armenian were still standing whereas Musulman villages were completely destroyed”
“In the entire region from Bitlis through Van to Bayezit we were informed that the damage and destruction had been done by the Armenians, who, after the Russians retired, remained in occupation of the country and who, when the Turkish army advanced, destroyed everything belonging to the Musulmans. Moreover, the Armenians are accused of having committed murder, rape arson and horrible atrocities of every description upon the Musulman population. At first we were most incredulous of these stories, but we finally came to believe them, since the testimony was absolutely unanimous and was corroborated by material evidence. For instance, the only quarters left at all intact in the cities of Bitlis and Van are the Armenian quarters, as was evidenced by churches and inscriptions on the houses, while the Musulman quarters were completely destroyed. Villages said to have been Armenian were still standing whereas Musulman villages were completely destroyed” [U.S. 867.00/1005].
“…Their evidence was not what those in power wished to hear.”
In “Death and Exile: The Ethnic Cleansing of Ottoman Muslims, 1821-1922,” Professor McCarthy comments, “…Despite their prejudices, they reported evils perpetrated by Armenians.” Since the findings of Niles and Sutherland are so obscure (only one partial copy exists today in the U.S. Archives… “well-hidden among documents on very different topics, luckily not destroyed, but only buried”), one must wonder why it has been so ignored. For example, why have the Harbourd Reports (interpreted by Armenians; Integrity Alert!) misrepresented what Niles had written? Professor McCarthy speculates, “One cannot help but believe that their evidence was not what those in power wished to hear.”
THE REPORT OF NILES AND SUTHERLAND
Niles and Sutherland Chapter from Prof. Justin McCarthy’s “Death and Exile,” pp. 223-228
ADDENDUM, July 2007:
Prof. McCarthy has made the original document available on his university site regarding Turkish history:
https://louisville.edu/a-s/history/turks/Niles_and_Sutherland.pdf
Few outsiders saw the situation in eastern Anatolia im- mediately after World War I. Of those who did, one group, American missionaries, were almost completely unreliable as witnesses to Muslim suffering. With the Armenians gone from eastern Anatolia, the life work of the missionaries had been destroyed, and their one-sidedness and understandable bitterness made them unreliable observers. While they were capable of documenting in great detail actions against Armenians, they were with few exceptions incapable of mentioning actions against Muslims. Another group, Westerners, were agents of the British and American governments, suffered from some of the same disabilities as the missionaries, and were also prejudiced. Some of them, however, rose above their prejudices to become accurate observers.
Captain Emory Niles and Mr. Arthur Sutherland were Amer- icans ordered by the United States government to investigate the situation in eastern Anatolia. Their report was to be used as the basis for granting of relief aid by the American Committee for Near East Relief (ACNRE, more usually “Near East Relief). The two men were quite unusual. Like Lt. Dunn, who provided Admiral Bristol with much accurate intelligence, Niles and Sutherland decided simply to ride through the area until they saw what was needed. Also, like Dunn, they did it with a minimum of support and with great courage. Their courage extended to their report, for they set down what they actually saw and heard, not what their prejudices dictated to them. For Americans in Anatolia, this was a rare phenomenon. The remarkable fact is that they were concerned about Muslims, not as Muslims but as human beings who were in need of relief. Perhaps naively, they assumed that their orders covered reporting all those in eastern Anatolia who were in need of relief, not only Christians, and they did so. Most of those in need were Muslims, and the suffering they reported was mainly Muslim suffering. It may be for that reason that their report was never included in the papers of the American Investigation Commissions; only a partial copy of it can be found in the American Archives, well-hidden among documents on very different topics, luckily not destroyed, but only buried.215
In most cases, Niles and Sutherland simply reported what they saw, without comment. However, as they began to observe what was actually happening, they also began to change what had been their typical Western opinions about Turks and Armenians:
[Region from Bitlis through Van to Bayazit] In this entire region we were informed that the damage and destruction had been done by the Armenians, who, after the Russians retired, remained in occupation of the country, and who, when the Turkish army advanced, destroyed everything belonging to the Musulmans. Moreover, the Armenians are accused of having committed murder, rape, arson and horrible atrocities of every description upon the Musulman population. At first we were most incredulous of these stories, but we finally came to believe them, since the testimony was absolutely unanimous and was corroborated by material evidence. For instance, the only quarters left at all intact in the cities of Bitlis and Van are the Armenian quarters, as was evidenced by churches and inscriptions on the houses, while the Musulman quarters were completely destroyed. Villages said to have been Armenian were still standing, whereas Musulman villages were com- pletely destroyed.216
Niles and Sutherland were not pro-Turkish or pro-Muslim observers. On the contrary, they came to eastern Anatolia with all the usual American prejudices in place. Although they had never seen evidence of Muslim massacres of Armenians, they believed them to have taken place and to have been as awful as was commonly believed in the West. They commented, “We believe that it is incontestable that the Armenians were guilty of crimes of the same nature against the Turks as those of which the Turks are guilty against the Armenians.” The difference, of course, is that they had seen the evidence of the Armenian crimes, not the Turkish—the one charge is based on evidence, the other on hearsay. However, this makes it more reliable concerning what they actually saw, because, despite their prejudices, they reported the evils perpetrated by Armenians.
The two Americans reported on the condition of eastern Anatolia after the war. The picture they painted was of a desolate place where crops, houses, and human lives had been destroyed. In the area between Erzurum and Bayazit, they found that the surviving Muslims had no milk, meat, or grain. The Muslims lived on wild grain and wild vegetables, “neither of which has much food value.” The Muslims blamed their fate on the Armenians and the Americans agreed:
In this region [Bayazit-Erzurum] the racial situation is intensely aggravated by the proximity to the frontier of Armenia, from which refugees are coming with stories of massacres, cruelty and atrocities carried on by the Armenian Government, Army and people against the Musulman population. Although several hundred Armenians are actually living in the vilayet of Van, it would seem impossible that Armenians could live in the rural regions of the vilayet of Erzerum, since the utmost hatred of them is manifested by all. Here also the Armenians before retiring ruined villages, carried out massacres, and perpetrated every kind of atrocity upon the Musulman population and the doings of the Armenians just over the frontier keep alive and active the hatred of the Armenians, a hatred that seems to be at least smoldering in the region of Van. That there are disorders and crimes in Armenia is confirmed by refugees from Armenia in all parts of the region and by a British officer at Erzerum.217
In the region between Erzurum and the Armenian frontier, the destruction had been nearly complete. Retreating Armenians had destroyed every possible village on their line of retreat. Two- thirds of the housing had been destroyed, as had most of the Muslim population: “The region218 has between one-third and one-fourth of its former population, varying in certain districts. Those cities and villages on the line of retreat of the Armenian army suffered most.”219 “All the villages and towns through which we passed showed the marks of the war. Most of them were completely ruined.”220
The most eloquent evidence given by Niles and Sutherland was statistical—enumerations of surviving Muslim villages and houses. In considering Van and Bitlis, for example, they found that in 1919 both cities had 10 percent or less of their pre-war population. The Armenians had destroyed all but a few Muslim houses (Table 19). All the public buildings and Muslim religious structures were gone.
TABLE 19.
DESTRUCTION IN THE CITIES OF VAN AND BITLIS.
Houses
Before Wars Aug 1919
Van Muslim 3,400 3
Armenian 3,100 1,170
Bitlis Muslim 6,500 —
Armenian 1,500 1,000
SOURCE: Niles and Sutherland.
A similar situation was found in other villages. Most Muslim villages were simply gone, whereas Armenian villages had survived. Niles and Sutherland gave examples from the vilayet of Van and the sancak ofBayazit (Table 20).
TABLE 20.
VILLAGES IN VAN VILAYETI AND BAYAZIT SANCAGI,
BEFORE AND AFTER THE WAR AND ARMENIAN OCCUPATION.
VAN BAYAZIT
BeforeWar-Aug1919 BeforeWar-Aug1919
Muslim 1,373 350* 448 243
Armenian 112 200** 33 33
Mixed 187
Total 1,672 550 481 276
* Repaired with materials from other villages.
** Both Armenian and mixed villages.
SOURCE: Niles and Sutherland.
Although they did not see the Caucasus nor have first-hand knowledge of the fate of Muslims in the territories that had been Russian, Niles and Sutherland repeatedly heard the same stories of atrocities from refugees and Muslims of the border regions. Judging partly on what they had seen in Anatolia, they believed the tales to be true.
It was at Bayazid that Musulman refugees from the Caucasus made their strongest appeal on account of atrocities committed by Armenians upon them and those Musulmans who remain. The notes taken at the time show what the Armenians are doing now in the Caucasus and what they did at Bayazid during their occupation. There is a most intense bitterness and thirst for revenge against the Armenians here.221
Niles and Sutherland accurately summarized the history of the eastern Anatolian Muslims in the conclusion of their report:
Although it does not fall within the exact scope of our investigation one of the most salient facts impressed on us at every point from Bitlis to Trebizond was that in the region which we traversed the Armenians committed upon the Turks all the crimes and outrages which were committed in other regions by Turks upon Armenians. At first we were most incredulous of the stories told us, but the unanimity of the testimony of all witnesses, the apparent eagerness with which they told of wrongs done them, their evident hatred of Armenians, and, strongest of all, the material evidence on the ground itself, have convinced us of the general truth of the facts, first, that Armenians massacred Musulmans on a large scale with many refinements of cruelty, and second that the Armenians are responsible for most of the destruction done to towns and villages. The Russians and Armenians occupied the country for a considerable time together in 1915 and 1916, and during this period there was apparently little disorder, although doubtless there was damage committed by the Russians. In 1917 the Russian Army disbanded and left the Armenians alone in control. At this period bands of Armenian irregulars roamed the country pillaging and murdering the Musulman civilian population. When the Turkish army advanced at Erzindjan, Erzerum, and Van, the Armenian army broke down and all of the soldiers, regular and irregular, turned themselves to destroying Musulman property and committing atrocities upon Musulman inhabitants. The result is a country completely ruined, containing about one-fourth of its former population and one-eighth of its former buildings, and a most bitter hatred of Musulmans for Armenians which makes it impossible for the two races to live together at the present time. The Musulmans protest that if they are forced to live under an Armenian Government, they will fight, and it appears to us that they will probably carry out this threat. This view is shared by Turkish officers, British officers, and Americans whom we have met.222
NOTES
215. Niles and Sutherland. On the bona fides of Captain Niles, see U.S. 867.00/ 1005, Philip Brown of Princeton University to William Carr, Princeton, 11 October 1919.
Other reports, such as those of the Harbord and King-Crane Commissions were surely well-publicized. By rights, the statements of Niles and Sutherland should have been included alongside the Harbord Reports, but were not. One cannot help but believe that their evidence was not what those in power wished to hear. General Harbord mentioned in his report that Captain Niles had visited areas of eastern Anatolia that the Harbord Commission had not seen, but Harbord completely misrepresented what Niles had written. (See Justin McCarthy, “The Report of Niles and Sutherland: an American Investigation of Eastern Anatolia after World I,” XI. Turk Tarih Kongresi, Ankara, 1994, pp. 1809-53. This article reprints the Niles and Sutherland Report.) Both the Harbord and King-Crane reports commented in detail on the situation in provinces such as Van and Bitlis without having been there. Very little attempt was made to elicit Turkish opinion or testimony. Indeed, the Harbord Commission’s only interpreters were Armenians, so the likelihood of accurate reporting about what the Turks thought was extremely remote. *
216. Niles and Sutherland, op. cit.
217. Ibid.
218. “Erzerum, Frontier District, i.e., Diadin, Kara Kilissa, Alashgird, Zeidekan, Velibaba, Khorasan, Keupri Keui, Jaghan, Hassan Kale, Ilidja, Karabijik, Baiburt.”
219. Niles and Sutherland, op. cit.
220. Ibid.
221. Ibid.
222. Ibid. See also Istiklal Harbimiz, pp. 369-71.
* Holdwater: In fact, an Armenian woman who rebelled against the Armenians’ atrocities was with the Turks when General Harbord visited Ataturk. She overheard the Armenian-Americans in Harbord’s group instruct the translators — in Armenian — to do the translation as they pleased. Harbord then took this woman as part of his entourage for the rest of his mission, but much damage was already done
© Holdwater
tallarmeniantale.com/niles-sutherland.htm
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| FATMA GOCEKOttoman Past, Turkish Present, and the Collective Violence against the Armenians, 1789-2009Wednesday, April 25, 2012, 7:15 pm Rosenthal 230Free lecture Fatma Gocek is a Professor of Sociology and Women’s Studies at the University of Michigan. Her research focuses on comparative analysis of gender issues in the first and third worlds. She also studies the impact on women of processes such as economic development, nationalism, and religious movements. Professor Gocek has been one of the leading Turkish intellectuals advocating for a greater understanding of the collective violence against Armenians. Hosted by Professor Mark Rosenblum, Director, Queens College Center for Ethnic, Racial & Religious Understanding |
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