ATTENTION TO: AMBASSADOR ERTUGRUL APAKAN / NY-USA

Armenian Genocide
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Ambassador Ertugrul Apakan

The Turkish Mission to the UN

821 UN Plaza

New York, NY 10017

Dear Ambassador,

I was invited and attended a symposium organized by Armenians at the UN building on 29 July 2010. It was presented to look like it was under the auspices of the UN.

It turned out to be neither. It was a political pep rally of the Armenians. Enclosed you will find   the invitation, my response to the organizers and a letter I wrote to the UN Secretary General.

As a Turkish born citizen of the US I would like to suggest that we need to represent the Turkish view in a more proactive way than be just reactive. If the Turkish Mission would organize a similar symposium at the UN grounds and it may even give the illusion that it was sanctioned by the UN as the Armenians did, I would be willing the assist in any way I can. My dear friend Sukru Aya travels to the US from time to time. His book “The Genocide of Truth” is a valuable reference book. I could ask him to present a lecture Surely there are others who are willing. Turkish Forum is a good source.

I extend my best wishes to you and the entire Turkish staff.

Sincerely,

Demirtas Bayar, TurkishForum Seref Uyesi

White plains, NY

demirtas@celalbayar.org

August 10, 2010

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Dear Presenter,

I was invited and attended a meeting by the UN Armenian delegation at the UN building on 29 July 2010 billed as a seminar and suggested that it was under UN auspices. Neither was correct.

In a seminar one discusses statements made by other speakers. I asked to be heard about an incorrect statement made by the Presenter. I was not allowed to complete my sentence. This meeting then turned out to be a political pep rally where other true facts were not allowed to be presented.

The Presenter incorrectly stated that the deaths of Turks during WWI were due only to the battle conditions. The truth is that the destruction of 22 villages and the killing of 500,000 Turks, Kurds and Jews were committed by the Hinchak and Dashnak terrorist organizations. Excavations of mass graves since 1980 are still continuing. The names of the killed and the vanished families are known and are being classified. The background of the two Armenian terrorist organizations is clearly explained by William Langer [1] who received a Medal of Merit from President Truman and at the time was considered as the dean of historians. Katchaznouni, [2] the first prime minister of Armenia, in his report to the Dashnak Party conference in 1923 also describes their war efforts and puts the blame for the outcome of the failure to create an independent State to the Armenian extremists’ excesses and not on the Turks.

The speaker also made a summary judgment of her own in assigning the crime of Genocide to the Turks making it an Un-American statement. In the US and in all civilized Nations there is the concept of due process. We do not call a person criminal until the person is convicted in a court of law. We use the word alleged. In some cases the person is acquitted. At the end of WWI the western allied Nations occupied Turkey. The English prosecutors imprisoned more than 100 prominent Turks such as Governors, Cabinet members and Army Generals and sent them to Malta for trial accusing them of crimes against humans, war crimes and torturing Armenians. These trials were the same kind as the WWII trials in Nuremberg. For two years the prosecutors of the occupying Nations searched the archives of the Ottomans for evidence. They found none. They asked the US Government for evidence. The US Government’s reply was that they did not have any evidence either. The documents regarding these trials are available in the archives of the British and US archives. All one needs to do is to be willing to learn the truth. This then brings up the other unethical attitude of the Armenian speaker. In the US we have a concept called “double jeopardy” which prohibits a second trial after an acquittal.

Due process was applied by the Bosnians charging Serbia with genocide in the International Criminal Court. UN Human Rights Organizations did not announce that genocide was committed in Darfur but just recently charged El-Basher with genocide in Courts. An individual like the Presenter in this meeting cannot assume they represent the UN and make criminal accusations.

Another clearly incorrect statement by the Presenter was that 1-1.5 million Armenians were killed. At the Paris Conference in 1918 the Armenian representative Nubar Pasha suggested that the Armenians be recognized as a group who fought alongside the Allies and helped the Russians to advance into Turkey. At that conference on behalf of the Armenians Venizelos claimed that 2,100,000 Armenians (an exaggeration) were living before the War. In the US a relief organization to assist Armenians was approved by the President on Aug. 6, 1918 and the report on the “Near East Relief” [3] gives the status and audits up to Dec. 31, 1921. The report states that 400,000 Armenians fled Near East Cities such as Van and Kars and went to Transcaucases with the Russians when they retreated. Also stated is that in 1921 there were 1,000,000 (One Million) Armenians living in the Near East. Also stated is that 200,000 Armenians who joined the French returned after the French occupation of Cilicia ended but then left again. The US government is accounting for 1.6 million living Armenians in 1921 out of at most 2 million in 1912. Ottoman State census of 1905 puts the population of the Armenians in their territories at 1,294,851. The Armenians make an impossible claim that their population grew by 800,000 in 10 years.  Those interested in learning more of the truth may read the works indicated below:

References:

[1].    “The Diplomacy of Imperialism,” by William L. Langer, published by A. Knoff, NY 1935.  The author was awarded the Medal of Merit by President Truman.

[2]     “There is nothing more the Tashnak Party Can Do,” by Hovhannes Katchaznouni, 1923.  This report was written by the first Prime Minister of the Armenian Republic and was presented to the Tashnak Party conference in 1923.

[3]     “Near East Relief,” Report Doc# 192, presented by Mr. Lodge on 67th session of Congress-Senate, on April 22, 1922” was printed in 1923 by US Government Printing Office. The relief organization was approved by the President on Aug. 6, 1918 and the report gives the status and audits up to Dec. 31, 1921.

[4]     “The Armenians,” by C.F. Dixon-Johnson, published by G. Toulmin, UK 1916. The author was a Captain in the British Army and was designated as a hero in the Boer War. He wrote:

“Give a lie twenty-four hours’ start and it will take a hundred years to overtake it.”

[5]     “Revisiting the Armenian Genocide,” by Guenter Lewy, Middle East Quarterly, 1925. Available on www.meforum.org/article/748.

[6]     Admiral M. L.  Bristol US High Commissioner in the near East after in depth investigation of the conditions in the region wrote in his report on 21 March, 1921 that “. . .such Armenian reports are absolutely false.” This shows that Morgenthau who did not visit any Anatolian provinces, relied solely on the unsubstantiated and biased interpretation of the events by his Armenian assistant.

[7]     Most prominent historians such as Mango, McCarthy, Shaw, etc dispute the term genocide as it applies to the events of WWI.

Sincerely,

Demirtas Bayar (demirtas@celalbayar.org)

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YOU ARE INVITED TO A SYMPOSIUM

at

UNITED NATIONS

on

Preventing Genocide and Torture

Political, legal, and mind-body-spirit Perspectives

Thursday, 29 July, 11 AM – 12:30 PM

UNITED NATIONS Conf. room B, 46th street @ First Avenue, new building, kindly enter from visitor’s entrance

Honoring all victims and survivors

SPEAKERS:   Hansdeep Singh, LLM, Legal Associate Director for Voices for Freedom

Martin Harrich, MBA, PhD cand. UN OCHA

Representative of Office of Prevention of Genocide

Dr Ani Kalayjian, ATOP of Meaningfulworld, Mind-Body-Spirit perspectives

Chair and Facilitator, Dr. Ani Kalayjian

26 June 1987, the UN Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Punishment or Treatment came into force. June 26 is commemorated as the

International Day in Support of Victims of Torture

UN Definitions: Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him/her, or a third person, information or a confession, punishing him/her for an act s/he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating them.

Gratitude for the following cosponsoring organizations: THE PERMANENT MISSION OF THE REPUBLIC OF ARMENIA TO THE UNITED NATIONS, Association for Trauma Outreach & Prevention ATOP of Meaningfulworld; Armenian American Society for Studies on Stress & Genocide; Voices for Freedom, UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (INVITED); Office of the Special Adviser of the Secretary-General on the Prevention of Genocide (INVITED)

If you do not have a UN ID kindly contact Garen by July 26 to secure a UN ID at: garenk884@googlemail.com

For information contact Dr. Kalayjian at 201 941-2266, E-mail: DrAniKalayjian@gmail.com

www.meaningfulworld.com


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4 responses to “ATTENTION TO: AMBASSADOR ERTUGRUL APAKAN / NY-USA”

  1. jda Avatar
    jda

    Your Excellency,

    I agree wholeheartedly with the estimable Bayar, and ask Your Excellency to use your good offices to
    ask the UN to sponsor these seminars on our cherished Ottoman culture:

    1. How to kill Christian and Jewish children efficiently: a cross cultural comparison of Ottoman weaponry vs. use of the Luger by Ostpolizei battalions in Poland;

    2. Accounting for the property seized from Christians and using it for “deportation” purposes – if Your Excellency gets my meaning.

    3. Waking up the Sleepy Imams: the political use of Imams to whip up mob frenzy against Christians: Armenia 1895, Pakistan 2010.

    4.Go to the Head of the Class: a lighthearted historical survey of Ottoman butcher battalions’ best practices for beheading.

    5. Never waste a kuffar experience: how best to torture, mutilate and degrade Kuffars before sending them to their God. Translated from the best of Jevdet Bey, notable leader and warrior.

  2. Robert Avatar
    Robert

    Chuckles the Clown (a.k.a. JDA),

    What’s the matter Chuckles, missed the carnival train to your next gig?

    You have the gall (note that I didn’t use the term “balls”, for this would imply that you actually had a pair!) to come here and talk about killing Christians and Jews. Can you tell me Chuckles, about 95-100 years ago, there was an event that made countries mad at each other, and then caused them to hurt people in those other countries. What was the name of that event? That’s okay, say it if you know. Yes…it was called WWI! Very good (you get a cookie)! There were many rebellious and traitorious people in a certain group that chose to attack and murder the very people that they had lived together in peace with for over five centuries. Who were these groups of peoples? Yes, the hunchak and dashnak Armenians (give that man a cigar!). Now, these groups eventually merged to become the dashnakians (or just plain dashnaks). They formed fifth columns and helped the Russians, British, French, etc. as this group murdered Moslems, Jews, and Christians! Why, they even massacred whole Armenian villages as retaliation (and to send a message to other Armenians) when the villagers refused to join them in killing innocent people and their neighbors (Turks, Kurds, etc.). And Chuckles, as if that wasn’t bad enough, these very same dashnakians volunteered in the next war (WWII) to fight for their hero…Adolf Hitler! Over 20,000 Armenian VOLUNTEERS formed the 809th and 812th Nazi battalions. The 812th was the more notorious of the two. You see Chuckles, they operated out of the Crimea and the Northern Caucuses, while the 809th was primarily stationed around Amsterdam. Their main goal was to hunt down Gypsies and JEWS! The 812th was commanded by the psychotic killer, General Dro (who had massacred countless of people in WWI). When he captured his prey (Jews), he’d torture them just for fun. then, those who were still alive, he had sent to the death camps. And Chuckles, how could you forget the various grossly anti-semetic Armenian newspapers and magazines, based in Berlin from 1935-1944, as they constantly praised Hitler and his plans for the “Final Solution”! Let’s not forget how many were killed and wounded during the 1970’s-1990’s by Armenian terrorist groups! Their innocent victims also included Christians, as well as Jews and Turks. In 1992, The Armenians attacked their neighbors, first in Azerbaijan (committing genocide in Kohajaly), then again in 1993 when they helped the Russians invade Georgia. The Armenians sent in there terror unit (the Bagramyian battalion). Yeah Chucles, you people just aren’t that popular with people, are you?

    So, instaed of coming here and acting like your either stupid, or high on drugs, or both, do what you’re good at…being a CLOWN!!!

  3. jda Avatar
    jda

    Robbie,

    I guess we won’t see you at any Armenian Church bazaars this Fall. Pity. I had sort of hoped that getting Aunt Christina’s Urfa kebabs and a few thimbles of raki might get you off the Adderall for 20 minutes or so. One does note the distinctly manic side of what one would charitably call your personality in these fevered and overly long writings, not to mention the typical ADD issue of not being able to stay on message, if there ever was one.

    Not that I took the FBI profiler school, but here is my image of you from your writings:

    1. Absent or disapproving actual father, seeks the esteem of elderly Turkish immigrant men such as Kirlikovali with odd congratulatory messages to them on this site.

    2. only partially Turkish, if that.

    3. no wife or family, lives alone

    4. works in a job he considers below his intelligence.

    5. 50 years of age or older. The Chuckles references give you away.

    6. never served in any military.

    7. ashamed of own ineffectiveness, looks to Turkish affiliation to boost image among non Turks; thinks the image of the Turk is “mad, bad and dangerous to know” in the eyes of non Turks

    8. has moustache

    9. was raised a protestant by non Turkish parent

  4. Robert Avatar
    Robert

    Chuckles,

    Wow! What can I say? I guess collecting all of those cereal box tops and sending away for your “FBI profiling kit” really paid off, huh. Too bad I didn’t think off it myself. Let’s see now, looking at your list regarding my profile and its component breakdown, I’d say you’ve pegged me on #s 8, partially on 3, and close on 5. As for the rest, well I guess that’ll come in part two of the kit (better start collecting those box tops). Quid pro quo…when you’re on stage or at birthday parties (with all those balloons that you can make into animals, etc.), do you do a line just before you go on, or do you just inject directly? Ain’t it cool!

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