VAN REBELLION BY ARMENIANS: IT WAS THE 9/11 FOR THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE

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Why is it that the Muslim victims at the hands of Armenian nationalists during WWI is almost always ignored?

According to the “Dictionary of WWI” by Stephen Pope & Elizabeth-Anne Wheal, 2003, ISBN 0 85052 979-4, page 34, 120,000 Muslims, mostly Turkish, were killed by Armenian nationalists in 1914.

And that does not even take into account the infamous Van Rebellion by Armenians in April of 1915.

Why is it so difficult to comprehend that the Van Revolt by Armenians—where about 40,000 Muslim inhabitants of the town were cut down by Armenians and the city was turned over to Russian invader—is the EQUIVALENT TO 9/11 FOR THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE?

Consider this: The U.S. crossed oceans and continents to wage a trillion dollar global war on terrorism because about 3,000 of its citizens were killed on American soil. Why is it, then, so difficult to understand that the Ottoman Empire, having lost 120,000 of its citizens, resorted to similar , but much lesser, measures of TERESET (Temporary Resettlement) of the perpetrators?

Rephrased, how can 3,000 victims in 2001 justify a international, global war, but 120,000 victims in 1914 (and many more in 1915) do not justify even a domestic, local TERESET ?

Values and concepts like fairness, balance, double standards, religious bias, ethnic bigotry, racial prejudice, defamation, demonization, and others seem to all come into play here…

24TH OF APRIL, 1915: IT IS THE BEGINNING OF OTTOMAN GUANTANAMO, NOT A BOGUS GENOCIDE

Why is it so hard to see that the 24th of April, 1915, is the beginning of OTTOMAN GUANTANAMO, not the bogus genocide. On that day, some 237 Armenian suspects (not thousands as claimed) of treason were arrested and sent to central Anatolia, to places like Corum, and subjected to house arrest, which meant they could roam around during the day but had to check into a designated house at night. Not exactly even Guantanamo, is it? All of them were returned in the end, except two. They were murdered but on unrelated matters of money and trade. No matter how one slices it, this does not sound like genocide, does it?

Here is, then, the forest for those who miss it because of a tree or two: Turks and Armenians had lived in a relatively harmonious cohabitation in Anatolia for nearly a millennium before the Armenian took up arms against their own government towards the end of that millennium (i.e. 1894-1915). Had the Armenians (and others) not taken up arms against their own neighbors, co-citizens, and government, they would have still been living in Anatolia today, just like the Armenians of Istanbul who mostly stayed loyal to the Ottoman Empire .

Since when, then, defending one’s home a genocide?

Would America behave differently today if three million Americans (roughly equivalent of 120,000 Ottomans killed by Armenians) were mercilessly killed by some insurgent groups who then enthusiastically joined the enemy armies equally brutally invading America?

Please!


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4 responses to “VAN REBELLION BY ARMENIANS: IT WAS THE 9/11 FOR THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE”

  1. jda Avatar
    jda

    Never quite satisfied with his efforts to mischaracterize history, the goonish and racist author – Mr. Kirlikovali, it seems certain – now tries on another ill-fitting trope to justify murder, genocide, theft and racial violence.

    First, shall we break it to him that most nations [incl. dear ally Turkey] as well as the current administration condemn the use of Guantanamo and the use of torture there, and at other locations? Saying that the CUP instituted a Guantanamo solution unwittingly admits quite a lot.

    Second, assuming arguendo that some Christian fighters rebelled against a murderous Ottoman annihalation campaign, and were from the Ottoman perspective worthy of detention, hardly justifies the exile and murder of all of their co-religionists and family members. The United States sent to Guantanamo people who were captured on the battlefield, for the most part. These are not citizens, as were the Ottoman Christians. Moreover, the United States did not annihilate their relatives or co-religionists. If it had, there would be 3M dead Moslems in the United States, including Mr, Kirlikovali.

    But of course the real reason this latest analogy fails is that the Armenians fought defensively against an annihilation and provocation campaign instituted in 1914. If you doubt it, read what an Ottoman officer’s memoirs have to say, see de Nogales.

  2. Robert Avatar
    Robert

    Chuckles (a.k.a. JDA),

    Your ignorance and stupidity never ceases to amaze people. Now, you can also throw GALL on top of the heap!

    Listen clown, my paternal grandfather was one of the few survivors of the mass genocide committed by the dashnakian Armenians (you know, your forefathers). After they murdered the mayor of Van…you DID know that the Mayor was an Armenian didn’t you, they proceeded to systematically murdere thousands of Turks. My grandfather watched helplessly as his family, relatives, friends and neighbors were slaughtered (men, women and children). His eyewitness accounts are well documented and are archived in Turkey.

    You speak idiotically of a “few Christian fighters rebelling”! Listen and learn fool (hey, that’ll be your second job…COURT JESTER!!):

    “As soon as the Armenian volunteer units commanded by Antranik approach Van, the Dashnak fighters in the area will take to the mountains and unfurl the flag of the revolt. The plans for the rebellion will be implemented in April 1915. The Cathlicos has informed us that 10,000 well-armed fighters are ready to join the action.”
    — Armenian National Congress [February 1915]. Tibilisi [The Armenians in history…Uras, 1988]

    “In the Caucasus, without mentioning the 150,000 Armenians in the Russian armies, about 50,000 Armenian Volunteers under Andranik, Nazarbekoff, and others…fought for four years for the cause of the Entente.”
    —- Boghos Nubar. the Times of London. January 30, 1919

    “What happened after the withdrawl of the Russians is heartrendering. The smallest Turkish settlements were killed down to the last man by the gangs of the Generals Antranik [Ozanian] and Murad.”

    —– Dr. Stefan Steiner, Algemeen Handelsblad, Amsterdam. May 25, 1920

    There’s a WHOLE lot more, but even you should be able to get the idea by this point! The relocation meant everyone was to be removed from the fighting battle areas (Armenians, Turks, Kurds, etc.). You can thank your traitorious rebell forefathers for the necessity of a relocation in the first place!

    Look, I know that you have long since lost anything even resembling dignity, but for your own sake, go back to your clown job. This site is for the academic big boys! You’re way out of your league here kid!

  3. jda Avatar
    jda

    Robert,

    The orders given by Vali Jevdet Bey to kill every Christian in Van taller than his knee is well known. You can start your education by reading the memoir of de Nogales, an officer in the Ottoman Army, who disliked Armenians [chiefly for meekly obeying orders to be deported to their deaths], but who chronicled the planned murders he observed nonetheless. Before April, 1915, Jevdet initiated a series of massacres of Armenians and Assyrians in the surrounding district and villages. The Armenians finally defended themselves, as is and was their human right.

    If during the occupation Armenians or Russians killed unarmed civilians, as you claim, we can agree this was wrong. But one takes your stories as the tall tales of a middle aged part Turk who has failed in life in America, and wishes to be respected by the pathetic elderly dead-enders who frequent this site.

  4. Robert Avatar
    Robert

    “Dead-enders”! Why Chuckles, you must be speaking from personal experience (that would make you about 80)!

    It’s obvious that it’s gotten to the point where even YOU don’t believe your own BS! Personal diaries from Russian officers, my paternal grandfather’s eye-witness accounts, carefully put down on paper and now archived in Turkey (the historical commission specified in the signed protocols will examine all of these documents completly to determine who’s been lying and who’s been telling the truth). The weight of evidence is greater on our side, which trumps whatever you’ve got (which is and has never been much, truth wise). Heck, them dashnakians even murdered the Armenian Mayor of Van!

    Hey Chuckles, I hear your carnival train is about to depart. Alllll aboard!!!!

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