ARMENIAN PROPAGANDA WINS, FOR NOW

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Boston Globe reports that a federal appeals court yesterday ruled that statewide public school guidelines on teaching human rights history can exclude materials disputing that the mass slaying of Armenians in the First World War era constituted genocide. Below, please read the article first and then my reaction to it.
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SCHOOLS CAN EXCLUDE MATERIALS DISPUTING ARMENIAN GENOCIDE

Court ruled on 1999 case
By Peter Schworm , Boston Globe Staff / August 12, 2010
In a closely watched case, a federal appeals court yesterday ruled that statewide public school guidelines on teaching human rights history can exclude materials disputing that the mass slaying of Armenians in the First World War era constituted genocide.
The decision, written by retired Supreme Court justice David Souter, who occasionally hears cases with the First Circuit Court of Appeals, found that state education officials did not violate public school students’ free speech rights in 1999, when they excluded all “contra-genocide’’ sources calling the Armenian genocide into question.
Van Z. Krikorian, a professor at Pace University Law School who filed a brief defending the state’s move, said he was thrilled by the ruling, equating those who dispute the genocide designation to Holocaust deniers.
“It would have put human rights education in reverse,’’ he said. “It’s a major defeat for genocide denial.’’
Upholding a lower-court decision, the court ruled that although state guidelines were advisory, and “not meant to declare other positions out of bounds in study and discussion,’’ they were part of the official curriculum and therefore under the discretion of state authorities.
Requiring that officials include references to dissenting viewpoints, Souter wrote, “might actually have the effect of foreclosing future opportunities for open enquiry in the classroom.’’
Harvey Silverglate, a Boston civil rights lawyer representing the Assembly of Turkish American Associations, had argued that removing the references amounted to government censorship and prevented students from hearing both sides.
“It always is a sad day when a court constricts First Amendment rights rather than expand them,’’ he said. “I think they made a mistake.’’ Silverglate said his clients will consider whether to appeal.
The Turkish-American group disputes that the Muslim Turkish Ottoman Empire committed genocide against its Christian Armenian minority population. Over 1.5 million Armenians died at the hands of Turkish forces, but Turkish activists maintain it was not the result of a policy.
In 1998, the Legislature ordered the state Board of Education to prepare an advisory curriculum guide for teaching about genocide and human rights, and a draft of the guide initially included a section on the “Armenian Genocide.’’ Under pressure from Turkish advocacy groups, the commissioner of education, David P. Driscoll, revised the draft to include references to opposing views, said the ruling.

When officials filed the guide with legislators in March 1999, the state’s Armenian community protested the inclusion of “contra-genocide’’ viewpoints, and the education commissioner removed the references.
Peter Schworm can be reached at [email protected].
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ARMENIAN PROPAGANDA WINS, FOR NOW
Jewish Holocaust is supported by due process and a court verdict by a competent tribunal (Nuremberg, 1945.) What due process and court verdict support Armenian claims of genocide? The answer might surprise you: none! That’s right, Armenian claims are based on a racist and dishonest version of history, not law or the truth. They are racist because they ignore the Turkish victims at the hands of Armenian revolutionaries (120,000 in the year 1914 alone, according to the dictionary of World War One, by Stephen Pope and Elizabeth-Anne Wheal, 2003, page 34.) And they are dishonest because they simply dismiss the six T’s of the Turkish-Armenian conflict. Too bad, our children in Boston will never know that the Armenians took up arms against their own government. Too bad the “poor, starving Armenians myth” will be ingrained in their brains like zombies, never seeing the photos of the Armenian ultra-nationalists armed to the teeth (www.ethocide.com ) They’ll never hear about the Armenians revolts, terrorism, treason, territorial demands and more. Just because a “sundown town” ruling by a misinformed judge said so. The decision must be appealed in the spirit of independence in 1776, anti-slavery in 1862, and civil rights of 1960s.

BIAS & BIGOTRY IN THE TERM “ARMENIAN GENOCIDE”
If one cherishes values like fairness, objectivity, truth, and honesty, then one should really use the term “Turkish-Armenian conflict”. Asking one “Do you accept or deny Armenian Genocide” shows anti-Turkish bias. The question should be re-phrased “What is your stand on the Turkish-Armenian conflict?”
Turks believe it was an inter communal warfare mostly fought by Turkish and Armenian irregulars, a civil war which is engineered, provoked, and waged by the Armenian revolutionaries, with active support from Russia, England, France, and others, all eyeing the vast territories of the collapsing Ottoman Empire, against a backdrop of a raging world war.
Armenians, on the other hand, totally ignoring Armenian agitation, raids, rebellions, treason, territorial demands, and Turkish victims killed by Armenians, unfairly claim that it was a one way genocide.

GENOCIDE ALLEGATIONS IGNORE “THE SIX T’S OF THE TURKISH-ARMENIAN CONFLICT”
While some in unsuspecting public may be forgiven for taking the blatant and ceaseless Armenian propaganda at face value and believing Armenian falsifications merely because they are repeated so often, it is difficult and painful for the children of Turkish survivors of hate crimes committed by Armenian nationalists and other Christians. Those seemingly endless “War years” of 1912-1922 brought wide-spread death and destruction on to all Ottoman citizens. No Turkish family was left touched, mine included. Those nameless, faceless Turkish victims are killed for a second time today with politically motivated and baseless charges of Armenian genocide. Those six T’s which are censored by an ill-informed judge are:
1) TUMULT (as in numerous Armenian armed uprisings between 1894 and 1920)
2) TERRORISM (by well-armed Armenian nationalists and militias victimizing Ottoman-Muslims between 1882-1920)
3) TREASON (Armenians joining the invading enemy armies as early as 1914 and lasting until 1921)
4) TERRITORIAL DEMANDS (where Armenians were a minority, not a majority, attempting to establish Greater Armenia, the would-be first apartheid of the 20th Century with a Christian minority ruling over a Muslim majority )
5) TURKISH SUFFERING AND LOSSES (i.e. those caused by the Armenian nationalists: 524,000 Muslims, mostly Turks, met their tragic end at the hands of Armenian revolutionaries during WWI, per Turkish Historical Society. This figure is not to be confused with about 2.5 million Muslim dead who lost their lives due to non-Armenian causes during WWI. Grand total: more than 3 million, according to Prof. Justin McCarthy.)
6) TERESET (temporary resettlement) triggered by the first five T’s above and amply documented as such; not to be equated to the Armenian misrepresentations as genocide.)

VERDICT WITHOUT DUE PROCESS AMOUNTS TO LYNCHING
Those who take the Armenian “allegations” of genocide at face value seem to also ignore the following:
1- Genocide is a legal, technical term precisely defined by the U.N. 1948 convention (Like all proper laws, it is not retroactive to 1915.)
2- Genocide verdict can only be given by a “competent court” after “due process” where both sides are properly represented and evidence mutually cross examined.
3- For a genocide verdict, the accusers must prove “intent” at a competent court and after due process. This could never be done by the Armenians whose evidence mostly fall into five major categories: hearsay, mis-representations, exaggerations, forgeries, and “other”.
4- Such a “competent court” was never convened in the case of Turkish-Armenian conflict and a genocide verdict does not exist (save a Kangaroo court in occupied Istanbul in 1920 where partisanship, vendettas, and revenge motives left no room for due process.)
5- Genocide claim is political, not historical or factual. It reflects bias against Turks. Therefore, the term genocide must be used with the qualifier “alleged”, for scholarly objectivity and truth.

HISTORY IS A MATTER OF SCHOLARSHIP, NOT CONSENSUS
History is not a matter of “conviction, consensus, political resolutions, political correctness, or propaganda.” History is a matter of research, peer review, thoughtful debate, and honest scholarship. Even historians, by definition, cannot decide on a genocide verdict, which is reserved for a “competent court” with its legal expertise and due process.

POLITICAL LYNCHING OF THE TURKS BY ARMENIANS TODAY
What we witness today amounts to lynching of the Turks by Armenians to satisfy the age old Armenian hate, bias, and bigotry. Values like fairness, presumption of innocence until proven guilty, objectivity, balance, honesty, and freedom of speech are stumped under the fanatic Armenian feet. Unprovoked , unjustified, and unfair defamation of Turkey, one of America’s closest allies in the troubled Middle East, in order to appease some nagging Armenian activists runs counter to American interests.
Those who claim genocide verdict today, based on the much discredited Armenian evidence, are actually engaging in “conviction and execution without due process”. Last time I looked in the dictionary, that was the definition of “lynching”.
FREEDOM OF SPEECH? WHAT FREEDOM?

This unfortunate and racist decision promoting Armenian propaganda over honest scholarship and civil dialogue, turns Boston into a SUNDOWN TOWN. Remember those towns, thousands of them coast to coast that sprang up during the NADIR PERIOD OF RACE RELATIONS in America, i.e. roughly 1890-1940, where signs told so-called COLORED PEOPLE TO LEAVE TOWN BY SUNDOWN or else live with the consequences, which meant death by lynching?
Freedom of speech is dealt such a terrible blow by this SUNDOWN TOWN DECISION by an ill-informed judge today: 11 August 2010. What a sad day for America, , indeed….


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8 responses to “ARMENIAN PROPAGANDA WINS, FOR NOW”

  1. jda Avatar
    jda

    Mr. Kirlikovali,

    Read the Souteropinion. It has nothing to do with whether a Genocide took place. It has everything to do only with the authority of state officials to create and revise curricular materials.

    Please spend more money seeking a writ in the Supreme Court.

    Thank you for spending lots of money to make the teaching of the Armenian Genocide a well-established prerogative of state educational authorities. The beauty is: not only did you misspend your funds, but the Commonwealth paid to defend the measures, Christian Anatolians did not. We thank you for this double-gift.

    America – first amendment = Turkey.

  2. Ergun KIRLIKOVALI Avatar
    Ergun KIRLIKOVALI

    I wish Turkish Americans could write as freely in Armenian sites as you people do here and in Turkey all the time.

    You are the last person on earth to talk about freedom of speech.

  3. jda Avatar
    jda

    Mr. Kirlikovali,

    You paste your unreadable if lengthy pidgin English agitprop everywhere freely, including Armenian sites. Big whoop.

    You whine incessantly about anyone affirming the AG, and call anyone who does so a racist and Turk hater. This is odd since you are merely an Islamized Greek. It is even odder, given that a growing number of ethnic Turkish scholars affirm the Genocide thesis as to Ottoman Christians. And you boast of stooping to harassment of such scholars, as in the case of Taner Akcam, whom you pestered like a little girl with an unrequited hate-crush.

    You complain about Massachusetts curriculum materials affirming the Armenian Genocide, even though the materials demonize no one except the actual criminals who ordered the murders.

    By contrast, you fully support making every student in the Turkish school systems, including the few Christian students, watch a ghastly four hour film [“Sari Gelin”] as ordered by the military, which portrays all Armenians as subhumans who fed on the flesh and bones of dead Turks.

    To quote Joseph Welch “At long last sir, have you no shame?”

  4. jda Avatar
    jda

    The Kirlikovali Dance Troupe celebrates the murder of 3M Ottoman Christians and the theft of their phYsical culture:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNfpYNeSyfE

  5. anonymous Avatar
    anonymous

    Your racist drivel above and embrace of terrorism, intimidation, harassment, lies, and libel empower me to say one more time: you are the last person on earth to talk about freedom of speech.

    Next time you write, make sure to edciate yourself on terms like ethocide, tereset, and the Six T’s.

    You are the reason why Armenians will n-e-v-e-r e-v-e-r win. After all, shameless losers, racist backstabbers, libelous ingrates, arrogant terrorists hardly ever win, am I right?

    The only good thing that came out of this whole thing is that we were able to teach a hard-core fanaticterrorist the spelling of the capital of the Ottoman Empire.: I-s-t-a-n-b-u-l.

  6. Robert Avatar
    Robert

    JDA (a.k.a. Chuckles the Clown),

    Even you’ve got to admit that Mr. K. has got you by the short and curlies on that last one! You’re free to write all types of slander and defamation here, and it will be posted. Go to Armenian Weekly or Azberaz and see if you can do the same thing!! In both sites, their typical Armo cowardly editorial board has a long and thick yellow streak running down their backs. At least 75% of my posts are censored and then delelted. Why? Because as soon as they see my posts providing references, quotes and statistics, they know that they’ll lose their standard audience of blowhards, who couldn’t debate a three year old, let alone answer/respond to any of the questions posed collectively to them, they delete me. Go and check it out for yourself. See how, when once in a blue moon, I kick their asses all over the site! Read how they bitch and moan as they get frustrated when they can’t keep up with me (even when they try to gang up on me).

    This should be a great learning experience for you Chuckles, as you can see from something as simple as a forum site and compare and contrast the treatment by the editorial boards. One is clearly civilized while the other needs more time on the evolutionary tree!

  7. vdemirw Avatar
    vdemirw

    ( New Additions )
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    =FINDINGS ; ( regarding human misery in human history worldwide and IMPORTAT POSITIONS and ROLES OF THE TURKS and TURKIC TRIBES in millions….)
    =BULUNTULAR 🙁 Dunya capinda insanlarin insan tarihinde yasadiklari muzurluk izlenimleri VE TURKLERIN VE TURK KABILELERIN ONEMLI KONUMU VE ROLLERI….)

    KARAMAN IN KOYUNU ANTI-MUSA LI YAHUDI VE ERMENI NIN (yandaslari vesaire nin ) OYUNU (atasozu )

    Rus gelir aska , Rusun aski baska ( atasozu )

    Ermeni , istemeden vermeli (atasozu ) vesaire….

    ORTODOKSLAR VE ANTI-MUSA LILAR ( On Emir e karsi olanlar ) YANI BIZE KARSI ( Allah in dogrusuna karsi) SEYTAN ETKISIN DE KALARAK ORTADOKUZ CEKMEYE CALISIYORLAR …. VE OYLE KI INSANLAR ASIRLARCA , BILMEDEN ve BILINMEDEN ve BILMEK ISTEMEDEN ……. (seytan durtmesi ) (atasozu )
    ALLAH DEMIS KI ;
    1) Dogruyu gosterince , seytan etkisinde olanlarin gozunu ,perde orter
    2)Dogruyu soyleyince , seytan etkisinde olanlarin kulagi ,sagir gibi olur.
    3) SEYTAN ETKISINDE OLANLAR , DOGRUYU SOYLEYEMEZ Rahatsizlik duyar …. Tam tersini soyler ( Lucifier virus =seytan mikrobu nun yan etkisi ,altinda kalmak ..,,yuksek ates ile kivranan insan …Zambi gibi aramizda dolasanlar…seytana masa olanlar..digerlerini uzenler..vesaire)
    ALLAH IN SUPRIZI (anti-Musali lara ve anti-Isa li Hiristiyan lara…). ( ALLAH IN SECTIGI TURKLER , DOGRU YOLDA , GECMISTE KANLAR DOKME PAHASINA , YOLDAN CIKMISLARA HATIRLATMA …)
    ( Turkler Ibrahim in cocuklari olup 12 kabileden birisidir…Tevrat ta bahsi gecen kayip kabile (Turkler ) ( isim verilmiyor fakat Turklerden baskasi gorulemiyor her zaman ve her olayda insanlik tarihinde …Yani gosterge, her zaman TURKLERI Gosteriyor , baskasi cikmiyor Insanlik tarihinde . Seytanin kuyruguna basmak, gormemezlikten gelenlerin , gozune sokmak , Madrabazlik ta israr eden ve seytanlik yapanlarin kicina sokmak….ve yoldan cikmis , oteki kabilelere ve seytana yol gostermesi icin Allah in sectigi kabile Turkler ve Turk kabileleridir…vesaire…) ( Allah in Son Kutsal Kitabi Kuran da ve Allah in son peygamberi Muhammed in hadislerinde de Turklerin ismi bir cok kere acik ve ustu kapali olarak geciyor… Tevrat taki kayip kabile gizemi ni desifre ediyor Turkler icin ve anti-musali yahudi ve anti-musali ve anti- Isa li hiristiyanlari sucluyor ….Verdigi cezalari hatirlatiyor ) ( Allah Kuran nin son kitabi oldugunu ve melek Cebrail ( Angel Gabriel ) tarafindan Peygamber Muhammed e ilettigini ve Tevrat ve Incil de gosterdiklerini , yazdiklarini ve ikazlarini ve butun peygamberlerini hatirlatiyor ( Adem ve Havva dahil ) ve Kuran in insanlara en son kitabi oldugunu peygamber Muhammed in en son peygamberi oldugunu ikaz ediyor.Verdiklerini,Allah in yolunda kullanmayani ,Seytan yolunda olanlari cehennemde sonsuz olarak kisini bitmeden yanacagini soyluyor . Cehennem atesinin dunyadaki ates gibi olmadigini ve imali olarak gunesin binlerce katinda ki bir derece…..Dogru yolda calisanlari bu dunyada ve oldukten sonra Cennet hediye edecegini garantiliyor…..

    SONUCLAR ;
    ;
    1) TURKLER VE TURK KABILELERI Tevrat ta gizemli olarak , Kayip Kabile , ( Ibrahim in 12 kabilesinden biri ) olarak geciyor
    2) O zamandan , Muslumanligi secene kadar Turkler , bilmeden, Kayip Kabile ,olarak , Allah icin ,Anti-Musali yahudi ve oteki anti-musa li kabilelere karsi… hurriyet , dogruluk , savasi vermisler ve devam etmekteler………
    3) TURKLERIN , MUSLUMANLIGI , NASIL ILGINC OLARAK SECISI ve SEYTANI ( Anti-Musali insanlari ) CILDIRTMASI ;
    ( Tevrat ve 10 Emir disinda yasayan anti-musali yahudiler ve yoldan cikmis Ibrahim in oteki Kabilelerinin de ciddi olarak yola gelmesi icin , Allah in gonderdigi bakire Meryem den dogan ve yine de yahudi olan peygamber Isa nin getirdigi Incil (Tevrat in devami olan Incil Hiristiyanlarca beraber okunur ayni kitapta ) ( Kuran hepsini icine aliyor ve kapliyor ve herkese agabeylik yapan (big brother ) konumunda ve Allah in son sozleri) (Kuran , hic bir zaman Incil gibi, insan tarafindan degistirilmemistir)
    Buna ragmen , yine de Anti_musali ve Anti-Isa li yasayanlar cogunlukta ve Hacli seferleri yapiyorlar. _ ( (isa onlara 10 emri de hatirlattigi halde onlarin cogu anti-musali yahudi ve gentile christine =yahudi donmesi hiristiyan ve hiristiyanligi kabul etmis olanlardi,) ANTI MUSALI VE ANTI-ISA LI HIRISTIYANLAR ONUNE GELENI KESIYOR YAHUDI ,MUSLUMAN ARAPLAR ,CINGENE, TURK, LAZ ,KAZ VESAIRE ,,,, BUTUN DIGER KABILELERI , KUDUSE VARANA KADAR ..
    .BU SIRALARDA , TURKLER ,VE DIGER TURK KABILELERI , HACLI SEFERLERI YAPANLARLA YUZ YUZE GELDI , NASIL DINLERI VE NE ICIN OLDURDUKLERINE BAKILDI VE SAHTE HIRISTIYAN OLDUKLARINI VE TERSINI YAPTIKLARINI GORDULER VE AYNI ZAMANDA MUSLUMAN ARAPLARIN , MUSA VE ISA ILE YASADIKLARINI GORUNCE , TURKLER MUSLUMANLIGI SECTI ve HERKESE DAHA COK AGABEYLIK YAPTI VE KORUDU ( bIg brother) VE ANTI_MUSALI YAHUDI VE ANTI-MUSALI HIRISTIYANLARA ALLAHIN TOKADINI ATTI , DIGERLERINI UZDUKLERI ICIN ( osmanli tokadi =sopa = falakaya yatirmak = disiplin olana kadar denemek cennetten cikmadir derler , laftan ve kanun dan anlamayana, kamu duzenini korumak icin uygulanan takviyeli ve iyi niyetli denemeler, seytan taslama vesaire … saka maka ) VE O ZAMANDAN BU YANA SEYTANIN KUYRUGU SIKISTIGI ICIN , ANTI-MUSALI YAHUDI VE ANTI-MUSALI HIRISTIYANLAR BUNUN ICIN , KUDURUP DURURLAR…..(Turk ve Turk kabilelerine ve de Muslumanlara ve Kuran a ve peygamber Muhammed e …)
    INSANLIGIN ,.DOGRUSUNU VE OZGECMISINI HATIRLATAN , KURAN A VE MUSLUMANLARA SAHTE DERLER VE INCIL de ki BARNABAS KAYITLARI ve VESAIRE KAYITLAR ROMA DAKI PAPA (VATICAN) TARAFINDAN INCIL DEN CIKARILMIS ( ingilizce dilinde bile olsa Incil in pek cok cesitli baskilari insan tarafindan duzenlenmistir) VE KASITLI OLARAK SEYTAN ETKISI ALTINDA KALARAK VE DE KURAN VE MUSLUMANLIGI , TEVRAT VE INCILIN DEVAMINDAN KOPARMAK ICIN ve SAHSI CIKARLAR ICIN DEGISME YAPMISLARDIR . (Seytanliga zemin hazirlama )( Isa . bakire meryem den dogmus ALLAHIN OGLU diye degistirdiler. Oysa Isa ALLAHIN OGLU diye cagrilmasini reddetmisti. Ayni mevzu Kuran da soyle gecer, peygamber .Isa , bakire meryemden dogmustur,( ve Musa ,Isa,Muhammed Allahin elcisi ve peygamberdir ve kendisi tarafindan secilmis ve gonderilmistir der ) Sahtekar hiristiyanlar onune geleni benim soyledigim gibi soylemiyorsun diye kafa kesiyorlar (Hacli seferleri ) ve su anda bile devam ettikleri laf oyunlari ile ve Kuran sahtedir,Muslumanlik sahtedir demeleri sadece seytani memnun eder (Allahin kitaplarinda boluculuk ve celiski yapmak, peygamberleriyle oynamak , Allah in esas mesajinda ve sozunde dikkat dagitmak , Allah in sozundeki manalari sahsi cikar icin degistirmek , dolayisiyla seytana kapilmak, vesaire) ,

    Etki altinda kalmadan ve Olaylari (bagimsiz olarak ) ve konulari olcebilmeniz ( yani OLCU ALETI olarak kullanmaniz) icin asagidakiler okumaniz icin tavsiye edilmistir….(ingilizce olarak)

    THE TEN COMMAND ( ALLAH in Musa ile gonderdigi 10 EMIR ) ( Insanlarin seytan in dumen suyunda alabora olmamasina kolaylik gostergesi olan 10 maddelik can simidi …saka maka 9 cani olan kediyi bile gecen (kapsayan ) maddeler )
    ve kirli isler icin enayi toplayan ( Incil de yakisikli melek diye gecen ve .Allah a karsi olan THE LUCUFIER (devil =seytan)
    Okuduktan sonra kendinize Mukayeseli ozetler cikarin temaslarinizda, vesaire

    Yani ;
    ( Lucifier Virus (seytan Mikrobu ) yan etkilerine (negatif) karsi nasil bagisiklik kazanmaniza yardimi olacak mukayeseli ozetler cikarmaya calisiniz…

    NOT;
    1) Bildiginiz gibi insan tarihi tekrarlardan ibarettir ve sadece Gokkusagindaki gibi , renklerin degisimiyle gorulur, zaman zaman ………

    2) PEYGAMBER ; (Allah in insanlara mesajini iletmek icin ve kendi sectigi insan .Kuran da son mesajlarinin ve insanliga son kitabinin ve son peygamberinin Muhammed ve son kitabinin da , hepsini kaplayan , Kuran oldugunu soyluyor….)
    3) ENTERESAN TARAFI ; Allah,kisinin yaptiklarinin puanlama derecesine gore ,sahislarin otomatik olarak Cennet ve Cehennem rezarvasyonlarini garanti ediyor ( Yani ,listede ismim yokmus mus, arabam icin park yeri bulamadim ,cek defterimi unuttum vesaire derdi hic yokmus… baliklama iceriye atiyormus ve her iki tarafta da cok yeri varmis….. SADECE SENIN SECIMINI VE NELER YAPTIGINI VE TOPLAM PUANININ NE EDECEGINI MERAK EDERMIS….))

  8. Hye Avatar
    Hye

    What a fuckin hater!

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