Armenia Still Hopeful About Deal With Turkey

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8 responses to “Armenia Still Hopeful About Deal With Turkey”

1. 

   June 23, 2009

   Robert

   This new Armenian PM may have some decency, as compared to the other hard-line dashnaks! Perhaps Turkey can work with him, provided that they reach a settlement about NK and Armenian returns the Azeri’s land and property. Notice in the article that the former Armenian PM is against any historical and scholarly investigation regarding the alleged “genocide”. I wonder if the new Armenian PM realizes that one of the requirements is the openning of the archives in Yerevan to the world. No wonder the former PM is against what the new PM’s plan of moving forward…because to do so will reveal the truth to the world and will finally be the begining of the end of the oppressive and extremely corrupt Armenian dashnak party!!
2. 

   June 23, 2009

   Fahrettin Altay Pasha

   Too soon to read anthing into this. Sure, opening the archives in Yerevan and Boston would be a huge positive step, but also the archives of Russia, France, British etc should be researched. As a consortium, they need to agree on the numbers of deaths, on all sides. Include into these figures the number of Ottoman officers and troops which were killed during the era, (in proportion) Do you really think the Christian world will worry about the number of Turkish/Muslim deaths and acknowledge these? I dont!
   Conditions should be places around not opening the borders until Karbagh is entirely free of all oppressors as well as the acceptance of the consortium’s findings.
3. 

   June 23, 2009

   Hally

   Dear Fahrettin Pasha,

   Also the U.S. archives.

   There’s evidence that money and arms were also sent from an enclave of Armenians in NY to Dashnaks in Anatolia during the relevant time period–most likely with the knowledge, if not the outright support of the Wilson administration.

   The owner of one rather suspect upstate NY munitions factory was an Armenian who was on a technology committee formed by President Woodrow Wilson to support the war effort during WWI. This factory owner had close dealings with the Dashnak Armenian cleric (whose name I can’t now recall) that led the 1909 Sassoun Armenian uprising.

   That Armenian cleric, by the way, suddenly appears leading a congregation in Ohio after that uprising (in around 1911) via London and eventually lands in NY (by 1913). This cleric received large sums of money from the munitions factory owner, for what, it is “unknown” … all of this is inadvertently given away in this rather seemingly innocuous book (see pp. 33 and on about the baddy cleric) –> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0953519112/ref=ox_ya_oh_product

   There is still much to uncover about the events of 1915 and all the foreign governments that were involved.
4. 

   June 24, 2009

   Fahrettin Altay Pasha

   HALLY,
   You are absolutely correct. I fear the events of 1915 can be likened to Iraq and Afganistan of today. The ultimage goal is for certain groups to make profit, notwithstanding profit in the sense of territory expansion and financial.
   Who would make all the money from the sale of arms and ammunitions? Russia would gain territory and access to the warm seas of the Aegean (They didnt care about a “Greater Armenia” but just towed this line to keep the Armenians at bay to use them. Britian, France, Greece, Italy etc. One just has to view the Le traité de Sévres and the map drawn up to see this.
   http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dosya:TreatyOfSevres_(corrected).PNG
   All I can say is thank GOD for Mustafa Kemal.
   The irony is history is repeating itself.
5. 

   June 24, 2009

   Robert

   Kardesler, I’m in agreement. We just need to have the world learn, understand and digest all of the available facts from ALL of the world’s archives prior to advancing to the next level! I don’t know…Part of me says let’s at least give the new Armenian PM a chance, but the other part of me is too well aware of not only their tricks and traitorous treachery, but also that several key obstacles and stumbling blocks need to be initially rectified, as a gesture of trust, goodfaith and sincerity before all sides can ultimately sit down at the negotiation table (Turkey, Azerbaijan and Armenia)! Suggestions and/or comments my brothers?
6. 

   June 24, 2009

   Fahrettin Altay Pasha

   We have to trust, yet not let our guard down. The Ottomans did this once and look what it cost them. We need to educate those who have been educated incorrectly, look at all the false accustations and literature laying around. The Dashnaks are cunning, they dont allow literature which goes against their argument into any public arena. Try going to the local library in the city you reside and ask for “Dashnakzoutian has nothing to do anymore” Manifesto of Hovhannes Katchaznouni First Prime Minister of the Independent Armenian Republic, they most probably dont have it. The Dashnaks had it collected, borrowed it and failed to return it to nearly all libraries around Europe.
   Turkey and the current Turkish government is too weak! They should screw the EU and the US and send out invitations to all students around the world and offer scholarships at Turkish Universities and encourage students to research and publish their findings. They should invite the journalists of the world to the mass graves they unearth from Erzurum to Diyarbakir to Adana and Kars. Turkey should invite politicians from around the world to these mass graves as they are unearthed. Turkey should promote schollars, archeoligists etc to research the topic and pay them their annual salaries and allow them to publish what they find.
   Finaly they should make a documentary of the entire era from 1850’s to 1923 based on all of the above.
7. 

   June 25, 2009

   Robert

   Kardesim,

   I agree with you wholeheartedly. Not only can one not find Katchaznouni’s Manifesto in any major library even here in the states, but his book is still banned, to this day, in Armenia. For eleven years, I’ve advocated intensive world-wide education at all levels of the realities of what transpired and that time period, and also to get as much universal media coverage as possible (with full videos of gravesites, interviews with survivors, etc.). There will come a time when the EU will be coming to us for assistance! Until then, we shouldn’t have to jump through any more of their “hoops”! And yes, Turkey’s government is not very strong internally. I feel nauseous when I see what is happening in the internal political turmoil. As usual, the Armenians and even the Greeks are trying to take advantage of the situation as they try to destabalize the country from within. Of course we have all known for quite some time that dashnaks run away from any discussions which are contrary to the BS that they’ve been spouting off for decades. And I have experienced first hand where dashnaks will come into a library and/or school, where a Turkish group had just given a presentation about the falsehoods of the “genocide”, and gather up all of the material left for the students/public by the Turkish group, and disappear with everything (they were so blatently obvious)! To this day I do not trust them. On top of everything else, look at the new ambassador from Israel (Mr. Oren) who feels that the alleged “genocide” did occur. This is only his opinion, but it’s just one more thing that we have to deal with.

   Still, all I’m saying is that we hear out what this new Armenian PM has to say (in a guarded manner) before we take any further steps. Will he be willing to defy the dashnak government in his country by admiting that the dashnaks were traitors, liars, murderers, etc.? Most likely the answer will be no! But, we have to start somewhere.
8. 

   June 25, 2009

   Fahrettin Altay Pasha

   Dogru Soyluyorsun! I am not arguing with you. We need to start thinking out of the box now. Its is nearing the eleventh hour.
   Have you read about the Armenians in Europe? They are all collectively protesting the US and European governments for backing Turkey’s stance of establishing a commission. They are very petrified as they know what will eventuate.
   We need to analyse, direct and manage the sittuation.
   The best way is to start educating the West. When was the last time you saw a statue of Ataturk in any foreign state? History has not shown any equivilent to Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. We need to errect monuments detailing his greatness, not only as a military commander but as a great leader of his people.
   This is a good start.
   Also, I would love to be able to generate enough donations to errect a monument commemorating the terrorism and assasinations of all the Turkish diplomats muredered in cold blood by the Dashnak terrorists.

   Food for thaught!