MANY SCHOLARS CHALLENGE THE ALLEGATIONS OF GENOCIDE

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Part I

I find it important to mirror this work here to help truth-seekers gain one more access the information which is denied them by aggressive Armenian falsifiers, their usually anti-Turkish sympathizers, and other thinly veiled Turk-haters. Hate-based-propaganda and intimidation should not be allowed to replace honest scholarship and reasoned debate.

Nothing less than the freedom of speech of those who hold contra-genocide views are at stake. Tools most used to advance censorship of contra-genocide views are hearsay, forgeries, harassment, political resolutions, editorial freedom, and consensus, among others. The key to resolving this controversy is more knowledge as in more honest research, more truthful education, and more freedom to debate… not less.

Those scholars who take Armenian claims at face value urgently need to ponder these simple questions:

1) How can one study a country’s history without reseraching that country’s archives? Can one study China’s history without using Chinese archives? Or Russia’s past without using Russian documents? Or America’s history without researching American records? Or Ottoman Empire’s past without using Ottoman archives? Why were the Ottoman archives almost never used in Armenian arguments and claims? Are language barriers, bureaucratic hurdles, cost, or others convincing enough excuses in scholarly studies that span a over decades or even centuries? Or is it instant gratification that these (genocide) scholars who ignore Turkihs archives really seek, not the whole truth?

2) How can one study a controversy by confining one’s views to one side? Can you argue that only one side of say, the abortion issue, is absolutely correct, flalwless, and worthy of knowing, and that the other side should be totally ignored and even censored? How about gun control? And immigration? taxes? Iraq War? Gay rights? and many other controversial issues? Can one be confined, or asked to confine, to only one side of the debate and categorically dismiss forever the other side? Can this ever be made into a policy as it is attempted in the Turkish-Armenian conflcit and controversy? Where does the freedom of speech come into play here? If I, as an individual who holds a contra-genocide view, am slandered, intimidated, harrassed and even threatened for my views by some “opinion thugs” and often censored by “consensus mobs”, then is not this a blatant attack and destrcution of my constitutional right to freedom of speech? Does consensus make it truthful? Does (political) might make right?

3) Why do those genocide scholars who love to get on their high horses and preach good morals to others, fail to scream murder in the face of that terrible human tragedy in Azerbaijan that victimized a million Azeri women and children in Karabagh and western Azerbaijan? Is it because the perpetrator of this inhumanity is Armenia, their client state? And the Armenians, their paymasters?

4) If the study of genocide is designed to teach humans how to recognize, avoid, and fight back against new genocides, then why do these genocide scholars not take their client, Armenian and Armenians, to task about the genocide in Khodjaly on 19 February 1992? Since a genocide verdict by a competent tribunal (as the 1948 UN Convention requires) does not exist, yet, for consistency, let me call it man’s inhumanity to man and pogrom. The question is why did all the genocide study fail to stop Armenia from committing one between 1992-1994? Can you see the heart wrenching irony here?

Here is what honest scholars and historians say about the bogus Armenian genocide:

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“ Ottoman Armenian tragedy is a genuine historic controversy. Many reputable scholars challenge the conventional, one-sided anti-Turkish narrative and / or refrain from alleging the crime of genocide. These Are Their Words ( https://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2009/06/2889-ottoman-armenian-tragedy-is.html )

BACKGROUND – WAR AND IMPERIAL COLLAPSE

The collapse of the Ottoman Empire dramatically rearranged the map of a vast region. What was once a sprawling, multi-ethnic empire splintered into more than two-dozen new nations, from the Balkans to the Caucasus to the Arabian peninsula. Across the surface of these lands unfolded a profound human tragedy. Nearly incessant war crippled the Ottoman economy. It left towns devoid of men to care for households or to tend crops. Military requisitions drained the countryside of livestock and many of the labor-saving implements of daily life. Disease ran rampant and famine struck many.

VAST POPULATION MOVEMENTS

As new states coalesced, large population masses streamed across the landscape, some fleeing the path of war, some seeking new lives among ethnic brethren or co-religionists, some having suffered expulsion, and some obeying negotiated population exchanges. Two such major movements were (a) the flight of Muslim refugees from newly-established Christian states in Balkans and the Caucasus into what would become modern Turkey during the period roughly between 1821 and 1922, and (b) the relocation of much of the Ottoman Armenian population from the war zone of eastern Anatolia into Ottoman domains in Syria, mainly in 1915-16.

A GENUINE HISTORIC CONTROVERSY

History records the enormous human suffering from both of these events: Perhaps 5.5 million Muslims, mostly Turks, died as refugees or were killed in the years immediately preceding and during World War I, as well as through the formative years of the Republic of Turkey. And certainly hundreds of thousands of Armenians died during the Armenian Revolt and the relocations consequently ordered by the Ottoman government. Scholars on the Ottoman Empire continue to examine the details and causes of these twin tragedies. What they have uncovered is not a singular tale of Christian woe, but rather a complex story that, if presented as evidence, would make it highly unlikely that a genocide charge could be sustained against the Ottoman government or its successor before a neutral arbiter. Thus, whether the tragic suffering of the Ottoman Armenians meets the definition of the crime of genocide as provided by the United Nations Genocide Convention (see appendix 1) remains a genuine historic controversy. Moreover, the notion that the one-sided Armenian narrative is settled history must be utterly rejected so that researchers will feel free to delve into the details of these contested events.

QUESTIONS CONSIDERED

Among the work of the scholars below, many of whom are Ottoman history experts, are considerations of the following questions:

* Is the genocide label, which is so vigorously promoted by Armenian advocacy organizations appropriate?

* Did the Ottoman government during World War I possess the requisite intent described by the U.N. Genocide Convention, to destroy the Armenians?

* What was the Armenian Revolt (see appendix 2) and how did it impact the Ottoman government’s decision to relocate Armenian civilians from eastern Anatolia?

* What was the ultimate toll upon the Armenian population? And how many deaths could be attributed to the various causes: inter-communal warfare, starvation, exposure, massacre, disease, etc.?

* What was the ultimate toll upon the Ottoman Muslim population embroiled in these same events? And how many deaths can be attributed to the same causes?

Their work establishes a better basis upon which to address historic grievances than the one-sided narrative most often provided in media accounts and by Armenian lobbyists and their advocates. In effect, these scholars provide the oft-ignored historical context, which is critical to any explanation of the shared past of the Turkish and Armenian peoples.

At a minimum, the list below demonstrates that in fact, there exists no common agreement that the genocide label is appropriate and that, contrary to assertions made by Armenian lobby groups, the details of the historic narrative remain open to further study and interpretation.

THE IMPACT OF PHYSICAL AND ACADEMIC INTIMIDATION

Sadly, this list likely under-represents the number of scholars who would challenge the conventional wisdom on the Armenian tragedy. Those who write from a contra-genocide perspective have had to do so under extraordinary risk. Merely because of something he wrote, the home Prof. Stanford Shaw of U.C.L.A. was firebombed. Death threats have been received by Justin McCarthy and his family.

The university press that published Guenter Lewy’s latest work was harassed by two Armenian scholars. (see appendix 3.)

The University of Southern California in 2006 buckled to the vociferous protest of an Armenian pressure group and canceled a symposium by two former Turkish diplomats.

Meanwhile, foreign nations such as France and Switzerland have rendered it against the law even to hold the contra-genocide viewpoint. Princeton University’s Bernard Lewis was famously fined by a French court in 1995 for such an “offense.”

And, the Armenian terrorist organizations ASALA and JCAG carried out no fewer than 73 acts of terrorism in North America alone, killing 16 people. Around the world, Armenian terrorists killed at least 50 more people, mostly Turkish diplomat murdered in planned assassinations and injured over 500, all in the name of “genocide recognition.”

In short, the chilling effect this has had on free discussion and open debate on the history of the late Ottoman Empire has been genuine and severe, lowering a curtain of fear over the consideration of this important era of world history.

ADDITIONS AND SUBTRACTIONS

Our aim is to evaluate as closely as possible each name on the list based on the published statements or writings of each scholar that are readily available. We welcome visitor suggestions for additions to the list. And likewise, if you believe that a particular name ought not be on the list, please let us know. Our goal is to continue to openly discuss and debate the details of history and the genocide allegation. For feedback, please contact info at tc-america.org.

Whether the tragic suffering of the Ottoman Armenians meets the definition of the crime of genocide as provided by the United Nations Genocide Convention [web] remains a genuine historic controversy. The notion that the one-sided Armenian narrative is settled history does not reflect the truth and must be utterly rejected.

The work of the following scholars demonstrates that there exists no common agreement that the genocide label is appropriate and that, contrary to assertions made by Armenian lobby groups, the historic narrative of this painful period in Ottoman-Armenian relations remains open to further study and interpretation. Furthermore, the work by the leading historians on the Ottoman Empire and the Middle East provides the oft-ignored historical context without which any explanation of the shared past of the Turkish and Armenian peoples is simply impossible.

Our aim is to evaluate as closely as possible each name on the list based on the published statements or writings of each scholar that are readily available. Our goal is to continue to openly discuss and debate the details of history and the genocide allegation. For feedback, please contact info at tc-america.org

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SCHOLARS

* Arend Jan Boekestijn
* Mary Schaeffer Conroy
* Youssef Courbage
* Paul Dumont
* Bertil Duner
* Gwynne Dyer
* Edward J. Erickson
* Philippe Fargues
* Michael M. Gunter
* Paul Henze
* Eberhard Jäckel
* Firuz Kazemzadeh
* Yitzchak Kerem
* William L. Langer
* Bernard Lewis
* Guenter Lewy
* Heath W. Lowry
* Andrew Mango
* Robert Mantran
* Michael E. Meeker
* Justin McCarthy
* Hikmet Ozdemir
* Stephen Pope
* Michael Radu
* Jeremy Salt
* Stanford Shaw
* Norman Stone
* Hew Strachan
* Elizabeth-Anne Wheal
* Brian G. Williams
* Gilles Veinstein
* Malcolm Yapp
* Thierry Zarcone
* Robert F. Zeidner

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* AREND JAN BOEKESTIJN
Lecturer in history of international relations, History Department at Utrecht University, Netherlands.

Major Publications

* Economic integration and the preservation of post-war consensus in the Benelux countries, (1993) * Other articles (not in English) Source: Excerpted from Turkey, the World and the Armenian Question (see appendix 4)

“Citizens and politicians living in Western Europe tend to take the high moral ground on issues where they are not themselves directly involved. This is a strategy that runs the risk of applying double standards. It is all very nice to condemn the so-called Armenian genocide by the Ottoman Empire at the beginning of the last century; but what about the national sins of one’s own country? In addition to the holocaust, Germany committed genocide against the Herero tribe in then Southwest Africa; France slaughtered 200.000 Muslims in Algeria during 1954-1962, and what about King Leopold’s Ghost in the Belgian Congo? The list is much longer. Turks do not have a monopoly on human deficit.”

“A number of governments and national parliaments ask Turkey that it recognize Armenia’s claims of genocide. These governments include France, Belgium, Russia, Lebanon, Uruguay, Switzerland, Greece, and Canada. The European Parliament and a number of U.S. states have also recognized the slaughtering of Ottoman Armenians as stemming from a systematic policy of extermination. Turkey fears that the U.S. Congress may soon follow. Recently, the German Parliament adopted a resolution in which the word genocide was not used but still called on the Turks to confront their past.”

“Did the Ottoman Turks really commit genocide? And, is the Turkish government handling this sensitive issue well?

In article 2 of the present United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (adopted 9 December 1948); genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

The problem in identifying whether genocide was committed is the clause: in whole or in part. In part, implies that most wars involve an element of genocide. Genocide only has real meaning if a government intends to destroy an entire group of human beings. The Armenian side claims that the Ottoman government at the highest level had the intention to kill Armenians. So far, there is no such proof in the Ottoman Archives.”

“Today, the German Holocaust of the Jewish population is widely compared to that of the Armenian massacre. However there are important differences between the two.

First, Jews had done nothing wrong. They were just there and formed the basis of Hitler’s blatant racism. There is little doubt that the Turks overreacted to the Armenian challenge, but some Armenians did collaborate with the Russian enemy and some of them were involved in guerrilla like activities behind Ottoman defensive lines. This does not justify the Turkish position, but it is wrong to portray the Armenians as completely innocent.

Second, in Hitler’s Germany, those in power knew what the Nazi’s were doing with the Jews. Most of them chose to support his policies. In Turkey, not all the members of the Turkish government were aware that some of them were using the deportations as an instrument of ethnic cleansing. When they discovered this, they tried to punish the perpetrators. Unfortunately, some of the perpetrators remained in power or acquired even higher positions.

Third, there was no pre-planned genocide in Turkey, as in the case with the holocaust. No pre-1914 Ottoman government could have had foreknowledge of the outbreak of the First World War or the circumstances under which the deportations would be accomplished. Mainstream Ottoman politics included normal Armenian participation until war began. There is not only no evidence that the CUP government deliberately planned for genocide before 1914, it is also highly unlikely. It would suggest that it intended to carry out the mass murder of an ethnic group something for which there was no precedent in modern history. Moreover, if there had been plans and these were leaked out, intense international opposition possibly leading to an invasion of the Ottoman Empire by other European Powers would have been the result. Viewed in this light, it seems most implausible that the genocide of the Armenians was preplanned.

Fourth, the historians who question the intention of the Turks to commit genocide are often excellent historians like Bernard Lewis and Gilles Veinstein with some documentary evidence on their side. They are not mendacious anti-Semitic crackpots who enunciate Holocaust denial.

And lastly, the CUP never adopted an all-embracing secular, universalistic, quasi-messianic ideology in the style of Nazism and Communism. It remained rooted in traditional (although modernizing) nationalism and a vision of an Islamified Turkey. The events can be read as a botched, wartime panic, overreaction, with premeditation most unlikely and the scale of killings arguably exaggerated.

Let us try to put these qualifications into perspective. Even if the Armenian massacre cannot be compared to the German Holocaust, even if not all members of the CUP government knew that some of their colleagues were bent on solving the Eastern question once and for all, the fact remains that between 600.000 and 900.000 Armenians died of murder, starvation, and exhaustion.”

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MARY SCHAEFFER CONROY
Professor of Russian history at Colorado University, Denver (since 1995).

Major Publications

* Peter Arkad’evich Stolypin: Practical Politics in Late Tsarist Russia, Boulder: Westview Press, 1977.

* Women Pharmacists in Late Imperial Russia. in Linda Edmondson, ed. , Women & Society in Russia & The Soviet Union, Cambridge University Press, 1992, pp. 48-76.

* In Health & In Sickness: Pharmacy, Pharmacists & the Pharmaceutical Industry in Late Imperial, Early Soviet Russia, Dist. Columbia University Press, 1994.

* Emerging Democracy in Late Imperial Russia, Boulder: University Press of Colorado, 1998 (edition).

* The Russian Pharmaceutical Industry in the Late Imperial-Early Soviet Period,” in Politics and Society Under the Bolsheviks, Kevin McDermott and John Morison, eds., Basingstoke: MacMillan; New York: St. Martin’s Press, 1999, pp. 13-36.

* The Soviet Pharmaceutical Business during Its First Two Decades (1917–1937), New York: Peter Lang, 2006.

* Medicines for the Soviet Masses during World War II, University Press of America, 2008.

Relevant Publications

* Review of Vahakn N. Dadrian, Warrant for Genocide: Key Elements of Turko-Armenian Conflict, The Social Science Journal, vol. 37, no. 3, pp. 481-483. Source: Review of Vahakn N. Dadrian, Warrant for Genocide: Key Elements of Turko-Armenian Conflict, The Social Science Journal, vol. 37, no. 3, pp. 481-483

“Dadrian claims that Armenians were more oppressed than these groups because they were not allowed to bear arms and had no outside protectors. Furthermore, the Ottoman government allowed Kurds and Islamic migrants from the Balkans and the Caucasus to harass Armenians. His argument, however, is marred by inconsistency and ambiguity. He notes, for instance, the appointment of Armenians to central and local government posts in 1876, periodically refers to the Armenian diaspora, and admits that Armenian merchants, upper echelons of the Armenian clergy and ‘conservative’ Armenians preferred Ottoman rule to Russian (Russia ruled a slice of Armenia following the 1827-1828 Russo-Turkish War) because they believed this would better preserve Armenian identity.

Indeed, Armenian deputies in the Ottoman Parliament spoke out against Russia. The author tells us nothing, however, about the conditions within the Ottoman Empire which produced the Armenian elites, nor does he elaborate on these issues. Similarly, Dadrian mentions Armenian revolutionaries, the Huntchaks and the Dashnaks, some of whom engaged in raids on the Ottoman Bank in the mid-1890s, and he concedes that their numbers were small and that the bulk of Armenians repudiated them. However, he does not develop the impact these revolutionaries may have had on Ottoman government policies, particularly the reluctance to let Armenians bear arms. Further, Dadrian does not identify the Huntchaks as Marxists nor the Dashnaks as extreme nationalists. In chapter 10, Dadrian informs us that several thousand Armenians fought for Turkey in World War I but, again, does not develop this theme.” P. 482.

“Although Dadrian appears fluent in Turkish and cites certain Turkish sources — dissident Ittihadist reports, memoirs of a few Turkish leaders, and statements from a post-World War I war-crimes tribunal — almost no information on Turkish government policies regarding Armenians and nothing on the decision to annihilate them comes from Turkish archival sources. Dadrian relies mainly on British Foreign Office and German, Austrian, and French reports. When discussing how the Turks unleashed Kurds to attack Armenians in the mid-1890s, Dadrian even quotes a U.S. senator’s castigation of this event as supporting evidence. Similarly, he cites the Russian newspaper Golos moskvy (incorrectly transliterated ‘Kolos Moskoy’) as one of the sources for a ‘secret Turko-German plan for the massive deportation of the Armenians of eastern Turkey’ along with a Western historian’s ruminations on how important cultural homogeneity was to the Turks, as proof of the Armenian massacres of 1915. Dadrian’s excuse for not documenting Turkish policies with internal governmental sources is that the policies were secret. However, since much evidence exists in Russian archives about secret policies, one cannot but be skeptical about this explanation.

A few typos and small factual errors, such as the implication that Russian-Ottoman relations were always adversarial in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, mar the book. However, the most egregious flaws in this book are its polemical tone, its sketchiness, and its failure to use Turkish archival sources. Therefore, while the book delivers intriguing insights into Ottoman-Kurdish relations and the views of individual Turkish statesmen regarding Armenians, and while it suggests convincing theories for Turkish massacres of Armenians, it does not convincingly document these theories. It is thus unsatisfying as a whole. This book is more a work of journalism than solid history and is not recommended.” P. 483.

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(To be Continued)


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19 responses to “MANY SCHOLARS CHALLENGE THE ALLEGATIONS OF GENOCIDE”

  1. Fahrettin Altay Pasha Avatar
    Fahrettin Altay Pasha

    Ergun,
    Well written. I hope people will read this article and learn something. I think we all agree that the Armenian Diaspora prefer to push for political gain and recognition rather than through an independant commitee of historians from various countries, with the research of all of these countries archives etc.
    They can buy politicians etc. where as they will not be able to do much with an independant consortium of historians. The Armenian Diaspora also have about 70 – 80 years on us. (It is with great sadness the older generation of Turks just sat back and didnt take this too seriously.)
    I think Turks around the globe need to push for an international independent tribunal to be setup. This will no doubt put an end to all these false accusations.
    Cant wait for part II… I trust I wont have to wait too long. 🙂
    Well done once again. Let me know if there is anything I can do to assist.

  2. Robert Avatar
    Robert

    Ergun:

    As usual, another excellent and well-written piece!! Bravo! I’m eagerly awaiting Part 2! Our brother Fahrettin Altay Pasha sums up the situation quite well. Thank you once again kardesim.

  3. Sona Avatar
    Sona

    I PITY YOU ALL!!!

    Turkish fabricated history! I will not waste my time with illiterate people (if my memory doesn’t fail me Turkey has 10 million illiterate people, like you, isn’t it?).

    Just one esample!

    You wrote: “… Jews had done nothing wrong. They were just there and formed the basis of Hitler’s blatant racism. There is little doubt that the Turks overreacted to the Armenian challenge, but some Armenians did collaborate with the Russian enemy and some of them were involved in guerrilla like activities behind Ottoman defensive lines. This does not justify the Turkish position, but it is wrong to portray the Armenians as completely innocent”

    You wrote “some Armenians did collaborate with the Russian enemy” Yes?
    You wrote “some of them were involved in guerrilla like activities behind Ottoman defensive lines” YES?

    Then you wrote: “…the fact remains that between 600.000 and 900.000 Armenians died of murder, starvation, and exhaustion.” Yes?!!! (Among 900 000 women, children and old people!!!)

    By your opinion SOME=between 600.000 and 900.000 ???????????
    I PITY YOU !!! Shame on you! CARICATURE!!!

    Mr.Fahrettin Altay Pasha said “Can’t wait for part II” Can’t wait – ……… !!!! 🙂

    SHAME ON YOU!!! Pseud-scholars!!!

  4. SONA Avatar
    SONA

    Mr. Rat, the SENIOR Rat of Turkey!!!

    WHY ARE YOU IN THE PURE ECSTASY??? FALSIFICATION??? Poor fellow……

    🙂

  5. ergun@cox.net Avatar
    ergun@cox.net

    Sona (or JDA the rat in ararat hiding under many fake names, even her)

    Are you reading what I am writing?

    Are understanding them?

    “600,000 to 900,000” is a quote; not my opinion. And, you always ignore the Turkish women and children killed by the Armenians. How convenient. Check http://www.ethocide.com out and find out how biased racists you Armenian genociders really are.

    Why do I call you (Sona, or JDA, or Frank, or Manukyan, or Norman Israle, or million other fake nmase you use cowardly) the rat in araRAT ?

  6. SONA Avatar
    SONA

    Lemkin entered the University of Lvov in 1920 and majored in philosophy, hoping to find answers to his questions. While he was there, an incident occurred that greatly altered his direction. In 1915 he was shocked to read about the massive slaughter of Armenians by the Ottoman Turkish Empire resulting in the massacre of over a million innocent people. Six years later, a young Armenian assassinated the Turkish Chief of Police in retaliation. “That is for my mother,” he said, before giving himself over to the police. Lemkin asked one of his professors why the Chief of Police had not been brought to justice for the grotesque perpetrations that he sanctioned against the Armenian people. The professor responded that he had not transgressed any international law and that it was an impingement of a nation’s sovereignty to interfere with their internal affairs. He compared it to a farmer who has a right to slaughter his own chickens whenever “Why is the killing of a million a lesser crime than the killing of a single individual?”

    Lemkin was shocked at the comparison. “Why is the killing of a million a lesser crime than the killing of a single individual?” he asked, echoing his childhood query.

    This time he decided that the only way to find an answer was to become an expert in international law. He steeped himself in legal studies for the next six years, and was then appointed the position of Warsaw public prosecutor. He felt that the law was the only way to uphold moral truth. While “it is moral power that counts — the law can make it count more,” he said.

  7. Robert Avatar
    Robert

    SONA=RAT:

    Why are you even still here? You said that you were never coming back! Have you no shame? Obviously not! No matter, it gives everyone an opportunity to put you in your place once more!

    You speak of Lemkin. Here’s a little something UN-related…No court has ever adjudicated the Armenian genocide accusation. Armenian-Americans stronly oppose taking the question to the International Court of Justice, the SOLE neutral arbiter entrusted with jurisdiction to hear accusations of state-sponsored genocide according to Article IX of the United Nations Genocide Convention!

    What! Are you still here?

  8. SONA Avatar
    SONA

    Israel’s new Ambassador to the United States, Michael B. Oren is a firm believer in the veracity of the Armenian Genocide, despite his government’s denialist position on this issue, Harut Sassounian, The California Courier Publisher writes.

    Prior to his ambassadorial appointment, Oren repeatedly confirmed the facts of the Armenian Genocide in his writings. In the May 10, 2007 issue of the New York Review of Books, he wrote a highly positive review of Taner Akcam’s book: “A Shameful Act: The Armenian Genocide and the Question of Turkish Responsibility.” The review was titled: “The Mass Murder They Still Deny.”

    In his most recent book, “Power, Faith and Fantasy,” Oren made dozens of references to Armenia and Armenians, including lengthy heart-wrenching descriptions of the mass killings before and during the Armenian Genocide. Here are some of the most striking quotations from his book:

    “The buildup of Ottoman oppression and Armenian anger erupted finally in the spring of 1894, when Turkish troops set out to crush a local rebellion, but then went on to raze entire villages and slaughter all of their inhabitants…. Some 200,000 Armenians died — 20 percent of the population — and a million homes were ransacked. ‘Armenian holocaust,’ cried a New York Times headline in September 1895, employing the word that would later become synonymous with genocide.”

    While it is true that Michael Oren published this book before his assignment as Ambassador to Washington, his compelling position on the Armenian Genocide would hopefully make him refrain from following the footsteps of his predecessors who shamefully lobbied against the congressional resolution on this issue, Mr. Sassounian writes.

    The appointment of a staunch supporter of the truth of the Armenian Genocide as Israel’s Ambassador to Washington comes on the heels of a serious rift between Turkey and Israel following the Gaza war earlier this year. On that occasion, there were major manifestations of anti-Semitic statements and acts throughout Turkey, including anti-Israeli remarks by Turkish Prime Minister Rejeb Erdogan. His insulting words to Israel’s President Shimon Peres in Davos, Switzerland, antagonized Israelis and Jews worldwide. Even though Israel downplayed Erdogan’s offensive words, they did a lasting damage to Israeli-Turkish relations.

    The combination of an Israeli government that is less sympathetic of Turkey and the presence of Israel’s Ambassador in Washington who is a firm believer in the facts of the Armenian Genocide may facilitate the passage of the pending congressional 252 resolution on the Armenian Genocide.

  9. Fahrettin Altay Pasha Avatar
    Fahrettin Altay Pasha

    SONA, your insubstantial BS is based on an Armenian writer. What do you expect?
    Isreal’s Environmental Protection Minister Gilad Erdan delivered the government’s response to the motion, saying “I agree that it is our moral obligation. We have a moral duty to remember the killing of Armenians.” Erdan then read aloud the government’s response
    Minister Erdan’s words were brimming with empathy for the Armenian people, but he also noted the inescapable political ramifications in regards to Israel’s relationship with Turkey. “Israel has never denied the terrible acts carried out against the Armenians, and I am well aware of the intensity of the emotions given the number of victims and the suffering of the Armenian people.” However, he said, Israel’s position is that “the study of the events must be done through open discussion, and backed by the historical data, not a political debate in the Knesset. Because of our understanding of the pain and suffering, and so that Israel does not become a side that deals with this from a purely political place, I ask that we take this issue off the Knesset’s agenda

  10. SONA Avatar
    SONA

    Mr. Rat, the SENIOR Rat of Turkey!!!

    Yes, I have decided not to come back and discuss anything with you, especially with the rats… but I couldn’t keep may promise, because your lies have no eny limit!!! You are consumate liars!

    You ask ” Have you no shame?” Turk questions ARMENIAN??? Santa Maria!!! Turk talk about SHAME??? All your life you must feel shame for your terrible, brutal and shameful past!!!

    PRESIDENT OBAMA’S HOME STATE BECOMES 42nd TO RECOGNIZE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE when Mr Obama was in Turkey!!! Remain 8 states!!!

  11. SONA Avatar
    SONA

    Mr.Fahrettin Altay Pasha,

    “ …the Armenian Genocide is not an allegation, a personal opinion, or a point of view, but rather a widely documented fact supported by an overwhelming body of historical evidence.”
    Obama, January 19, 2008

    And why high-ranking Obama official Mr. Gordon talk about joint historical commission??? He is against his President?????????????

    I wonder why the Americans didn’t establish joint historical commission on slavery or on Holocaust ?

    “Turkey’s call for an “historical commission” to study the events of 1915 is an attempt to put genocide deniers on an equal level with genuine scholars. The IAGS passed a resolution in 1997 unanimously recognizing the Ottoman massacres of Armenians as genocide. Turkey’s latest proposal for an “historical commission” is just another red herring of denial drawn across the bloody scent of the Armenian genocide”
    Greg Stanton, Letter to Mr. Obama 7 March, 2009
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  12. ergun@cox.net Avatar
    ergun@cox.net

    Sona (or JDA the rat in ararat hiding under many fake names, even here)

    I thought you said you would never come back here. You lied again… As always… We are not interested in your official Armenian government position and lies…

    Oh, by the way, we finally taught even you how to spell the capital of the Ottoman Empire! Ha! Ha!

    Everytime you log onto here, I can see how you mus feel the pain of spelling Istanbul, c-o-r-r-e-c-t-l-y !!!.

    So, I don’t mind seeing you, the rat in araRAT, here as long as he learned how to spell Istanbul…

  13. Fahrettin Altay Pasha Avatar
    Fahrettin Altay Pasha

    SONA, you are an absolute idiot! The whole point is it doesnt matter who accepts the allogations based on your lies. There is no evidence to suggest a “GENOCIDE” took place. When will you get this through your thick head?
    Once a historical commission is setup and research conducted it will expose you totalitarian deceivers for what you are! You will be known as the TERRORIST NATION, THE DECEIVOR OF DECEIVORS!!!
    This with the backing of the UN failing to even waste any time on the topic will mean history is written correctly and you will have no option but to appolgise to the Turkish nation and all Turks across the globe. You will have to vacate the lands of Karabah you currently illegaly occupy! You will have to knock down that stupid monument you have in Yerevan as it wont have a purpose anymore. And most of all, you will have to change your national anthem and your education system.
    This will mean foreign aid you currently enjoy will be cut, the sympathy money your Diaspora generates will trickle…

  14. Robert Avatar
    Robert

    SONA=RAT,

    There really is no point in responding to anything that you may have posted, since I, or others, already have done so repeatedly, to answer your other personas! Your games are quite boring and actually has the ability of giving one intestinal gas!! So, this is the legacy that you’ve created for yourself then…the RAT is nothing more than a casual fart!! Now, piss off and never darken our doors again! Return to the sewers from whence you emerged!!

  15. SONA Avatar
    SONA

    I though that Robert=Rat, but Ergun=RAT!!!
    You wrote: “…As always… We are not interested in your official Armenian government position and lies…”

    THESE ARE THE WORDS of the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    🙂 🙂 🙂

    “ …the Armenian Genocide is not an allegation, a personal opinion, or a point of view, but rather a widely

    documented fact supported by an overwhelming body of historical evidence.”
    Obama, January 19, 2008

    IN TURKEY Mr.OBAMA SAID: “Well, my views are on the record and I have not changed views” IT WAS THE BIGGEST SLAP FOR TURKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    P.S. Istanbul=Constantinople=the center of the Byzantine Empire

    NOTE: nothing is created by turks!!! ha-ha-ha

  16. SONA Avatar
    SONA

    The city of Byzantium was dedicated to the Greek goddess Artemis in 667 BC, whose symbol, the crescent moon, was used as the symbol of the city for nearly 1000 years between 667 BC and 330 AD.

    EVEN YOUR SYMBOL MOON….

  17. Fahrettin Altay Pasha Avatar
    Fahrettin Altay Pasha

    SONA once again, your confused and you digress…
    What Obama said is based on your lies. He has not conducted any research of his own, He probably has Armenian advisors, as we all know how slanderous you lot are. Once a collective commitee publishes their findings all this will change… Dont forget, once upon a time all you idiots thought the world was flat….
    Constantinople may have been the biggest fortress, built by the Byzantines, but it took a Turkish commander aged 21 to conquor it and save the Armenians from slaughter.
    I am tireing of you.

  18. Hally Avatar
    Hally

    Sona,

    Reading your posts makes it clear why Armenians have always lived under the dominion of others, failed in every effort for independence and have so horribly mismanaged the Republic of Armenia’s economy that a large segment of the population now faces the risk of starvation and women prostitute themselves to feed their children.

    With respect to Obama’s statement, so what? So what if the US Congress adopts a worthless non-binding resolution recognizing something that never happened? Exactly what do you think will result?

    There are over 72M citizens of the Republic of Turkey living in Anatolia, another 3M living in Europe and maybe another 1M+ other Turkish citizens in the Turkish Diaspora. Do you really think that, say the 1/3 of the citizens living Anatolia (approx. 23M people), are just going to get up and leave?

    It’s because of the inability to face reality, as opposed to ridiculous fantasies of overcoming a majority that outnumbered them almost 10 to 1 (soak that in, TEN TO ONE), and the reckless foolishness of Armenian leaders in the late 1800s and early 1900s that your people migrated en masse from Anatolia to what is the Republic of Armenia today and fled into the Diaspora.

    It seems you and your people are still following leaders who live in a fantasy world and who have not learned one iota from their multitude of catastrophic mistakes, which means you are doomed to repeat them over and over and over again.

    You and your people deserve nothing but pity for your inability to progress beyond your primitive and century old delusional ideas.

    However, as they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink.

  19. ergun@cox.net Avatar
    ergun@cox.net

    JDA (rrr, Sona…rrr…whatever)

    You had to sign Istanbul to get in here, didn’t you?

    Can you imagine? A blood-thirsty (Turkish blood, that is) Dashnak terrorist signing the correct name of Istanbul !

    And each and everytime he pours his filth here!

    That’s enough satisfaction for me, JDA, Sona, etc…. you the stinking rat in araRAT!

    Bon apetite!

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