Amnesty International Report 2009 on Armenia

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Amnesty International Report 2009 on Armenia Reveals the Racist Nature of the Caucasus Tyranny

Dr. Muhammad Shamsaddin Megalommatis June 01, 2009

Caucasus´ tiny state is the realm of Obduracy, Odium, and Oppression; the racist Anti-Turkish, Anti-Azeri, Anti-Turkmen and Anti-Islamic tyranny of Armenia illegally occupies part of Azerbaijan´s territory, counting on the Anti-Islamic stratagems of Russia.

Supported by donations of the villainous, rancorous, revengeful and hateful Armenian Diaspora, the tyranny of Yerevan is one of the world´s cruelest and most inhuman regimes and has actually a most preoccupying record of Human Rights´ violations perpetrated not only against the ethnic minorities but also against religious groups who reject the Fascist version of the Westernized Armenian Christianity.

Turkey, Azerbaijan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and the entire Islamic World must set up a long term policy to force Russia to either abandon its evil Caucasus ally or be lethally hit by all means in its heart, Moscow. The demolition of the Armenian tyranny is a prerequisite for the prevalence of peace in Caucasus region without any blackmailing, rogue attitude or reference to the ghosts of the past.

I herewith republish the Amnesty International Report that sheds light on the persecution of the Jehovah´s Witnesses in Armenia; quite unfortunately, they are not the only to be persecuted there.

Amnesty International report 2009 – Armenia

Portrait

Head of state: Serge Sargsian replaced Robert Kocharian in April

Head of government: Tigran Sargsian (replaced Serge Sargsian in April)

Death penalty: abolitionist for all crimes

Population: 3 million

Life expectancy: 71.7 years

Under-5 mortality (m/f): 36/31 per 1,000

Adult literacy: 99.4 per cent

Amnesty International report 2009 – Armenia

Mass protests over disputed presidential elections in February led to a 20-day state of emergency and a crackdown on civil and political rights evident throughout the year. Freedoms of assembly and expression were heavily restricted. Opposition and human rights activists were subjected to violent acts by unknown persons. Conscientious objectors continued to be imprisoned. Structures and resources to combat violence against women remained inadequate.

Freedom of assembly

Excessive use of force

On 1 March, police used force in the capital Yerevan to break up protests that had been ongoing since the results were published of the 19 February presidential election. Serge Sargsian, incumbent Prime Minister and close associate of outgoing President Robert Kocharian, had officially won. At least 10 people died, including two police officers, and over 350 were injured, including some 58 policemen. Police were reported as using truncheons, iron bars, tracer bullets, tear gas and conducted energy devices. The authorities declared a state of emergency on the same day.

In June a parliamentary commission was established for three months to investigate the March events. In mid-October, the commission requested a two-month extension in order to incorporate the findings of a second fact-finding group.

Arbitrary arrests and detentions

Dozens of opposition members were arrested in the aftermath of the 1 March violence, including many high-ranking figures associated with Levon Ter-Petrosian, the main rival to Serge Sargsian, and members of the opposition Republic party. Some of those arrested were reportedly beaten or ill-treated in police custody. Many of those arrested were still in pre-trial detention at the end of the year. The Council of Europe repeatedly expressed concern at the excessive length of the official inquiry into the March events, and the continued imprisonment, in some cases without trial, of dozens of opposition supporters. The trial of seven of those detained started on 19 December.

Legal, constitutional or institutional developments

On 17 March the National Assembly approved amendments to the law on public assembly giving local authorities the power to ban public meetings. After the lifting of the state of emergency there were continued reports of extensive detentions and harassment by security officials of citizens gathering in public places in central Yerevan. Concerns expressed by the OSCE and the Council of Europe led to the Armenian authorities agreeing on 22 April to the repeal or revision of the March amendments. Nonetheless, the Yerevan municipal authorities continued to ban some demonstrations by the opposition.

Freedom of expression

Journalists and media outlets that covered opposition activities were harassed. The vague wording of restrictions on freedom of expression gave the authorities broad powers to restrict opposition or independent media. Several opposition media outlets reported having websites closed, and newspaper editions were refused permission for publication. The Yerevan Press Club, the Committee to Protect Freedom of Expression, Internews, the Asparez Press Club of Giumri and the Femida public organization expressed concern that further delays to the government issuing broadcast licences would result in reduced media diversity.

In August Haykakan Zhamanak (Armenian Times) journalist Lusineh Barseghian was beaten by unknown men. Later that month, Hratch Melkumian, acting head of the Armenian Service of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, was beaten in central Yerevan. There was reportedly no progress in the investigations into these assaults by the end of the year.

The independent Giumri-based television station Gala TV faced consistent harassment after it screened campaigning speeches by Levon Ter-Petrosian. On 19 March a fine of almost 27 million drams (about US$87,700) was imposed on Gala TV for alleged tax evasion; the sum was reportedly paid off by contributions from private donations. In April Gala TV was ordered to vacate its premises in Giumri´s television tower, forcing it to temporarily cease broadcasting.

Impunity

A number of assaults on opposition and human rights activists were not investigated promptly or thoroughly. On 21 May, Mikael Danielian, a prominent human rights activist and director of the Armenian Helsinki Association, a human rights NGO, was shot at point-blank range with a pneumatic gun (a gun firing compressed air), reportedly by a former leader of a political party. Mikael Danielian was not seriously wounded. On 28 May Arsen Kharatian, a leader of the Armenian Democratic Youth Movement, was assaulted in Yerevan by unknown men. He was hospitalized with severe head injuries. On 25 June Narek Hovakimian, a member of the Hima youth movement and the opposition Alternative coalition, was assaulted in Yerevan by two unknown men. No one had been charged for these assaults by the end of the year.

Discrimination – Jehovah´s Witnesses

Jehovah´s Witnesses continued to face imprisonment because of their beliefs. As of 1 September, 77 young men were in prison for refusing on grounds of conscience to perform military service. The authorities still failed to introduce a genuinely civilian alternative service, in spite of previous commitments, with military supervision continuing over the alternative civilian service.

Jehovah´s Witnesses reported further problems on release. The authorities refused to grant them certification of full service, without which important documents such as passports and internal residence permits were harder to obtain.

There were also reports of physical attacks on Jehovah´s Witnesses, including allegedly by supporters of the country´s dominant religious group. Investigation of these assaults was said to be slow or non-existent.

Violence against women and girls

Over a quarter of women in Armenia were said to have been hit by a family member and about two-thirds were said to have experienced psychological abuse, yet the authorities failed to prevent, investigate and punish violence against women. Adequate structures and resources to combat violence against women were lacking. Shelters previously operated by NGOs had closed due to lack of funding early in the year; one was able to reopen in September. A draft law on domestic violence, promoted by the Women´s Rights Centre NGO, was made available for public discussion.

Amnesty International visits

Amnesty International delegates visited Armenia in February, July and November.

Addendum

Document – Armenia: Fear of the freedom of conscience and religion: violations of the rights of Jehovah’s Witnesses

Armenia

Fear of the freedom of conscience and religion: violations of the rights of Jehovah´s Witnesses

1. Introduction

Amnesty International is concerned that Jehovah´s Witnesses continue to be victims of human rights violations in Armenia, despite the country´s obligations under international human rights law to respect and protect the right to freedom of conscience and religion. Jehovah´s Witnesses in Armenia also face violations of the right to liberty and security of the person, the right not to be discriminated against and the right to legal remedy. This report lays out Amnesty International´s concerns relating to Jehovah´s Witnesses in Armenia, and ends with a series of concrete recommendations to the Armenian authorities to ensure the protection of their rights.

Amnesty International is concerned by the continuing practice of imprisoning conscientious objectors, the vast majority of whom are Jehovah´s Witnesses, in defiance of Armenia´s obligations under international human rights standards.

Rather than providing a genuinely civilian alternative to military service, an obligation undertaken by Armenia upon accession to the Council of Europe in 2001, the current legislative framework, implementation and legal enforcement of the alternative service are characterized by measures suggesting a pattern of deterrence aimed at discouraging conscientious objection. There is considerable evidence pointing to military oversight and control of the alternative service introduced in 2004, making it incompatible with the beliefs and convictions of Jehovah´s Witnesses (and others whose beliefs and convictions prevent them from taking up arms). Numbers of Jehovah´s Witnesses imprisoned are on the increase, due to more severe sentencing, and those who serve their terms continue to face bureaucratic obstacles to the fulfilment of economic, social and cultural rights upon their release. All are imprisoned in contravention of Armenia´s obligations to respect and protect the right to freedom of conscience and religion, and all are considered by Amnesty International to be prisoners of conscience. As such all of them should be released immediately and unconditionally.

Increased reports of physical attacks on Jehovah´s Witnesses and reportedly slow or non-existent investigation of these assaults represent further concerns for Amnesty International. These acts of violence are directed at Jehovah´s Witnesses as members of a particular group, and therefore constitute a form of discrimination as well as crimes in their own right. The Armenian authorities have an obligation to exercise due diligence in protecting Jehovah´s Witnesses against such attacks, including by the thorough, independent and impartial investigation and, where appropriate, prosecution of perpetrators of physical assault. Amnesty International is concerned that the reported failure to punish such crimes may be contributing to a climate of impunity for the physical assault of Jehovah´s Witnesses, and, accordingly, impunity for discrimination against them.

A number of sources were consulted in the preparation of this report. An Amnesty International delegate visited Armenia in March 2007 and met with the Jehovah´s Witnesses organization in the capital Yerevan. Meetings were also conducted in London with the European Association of Jehovah´s Christian Witnesses, whose reports and other documents were also used. On 31 August Amnesty International also wrote to several agencies within the Armenian government to elicit information and responses to the organization´s concerns.

Letters were sent to the Minister of Defence, the Republic of Armenia Police, the Prosecutor General´s Office, the Ombudsman´s Office, the Department for National Minorities and Religious Issues and the Division for Human Rights and Humanitarian Affairs of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Replies were received from the Republic of Armenia Police, the Prosecutor General´s Office and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs; the information received in this correspondence was considered in the final drafting of this report. Finally a wide range of internet-based news services were also consulted.

2. The right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion

The right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion is guaranteed by the Armenian Constitution and a wide array of instruments of international human rights law, to which Armenia is a State Party. Article 26 of the Armenian Constitution specifies that “[E]veryone shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion” and further stipulates that “[T]he exercise of this right may be restricted only by law in the interests of the public security, health, morality or the protection of rights and freedoms of others”. Article 18(1) of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR), which enshrines the right to freedom of religion, declares that “[E]veryone shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion” and the freedom “either individually or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in worship, observance, practice and teaching”. Armenia is also a State Party to the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms (ECHR), Article 9 of which guarantees the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion.

The principle of non-discrimination in the enjoyment of rights is enshrined in Article 2(1) and 2(2) of the ICCPR and the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (ICESCR). Article 2(1) of the ICCPR obliges Armenia to “ensure to all individuals within its territory and subject to its jurisdiction the rights recognized in the present Covenant, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origins, property, birth or other status.” Article 14 of the ECHR likewise guarantees the enjoyment of rights and freedoms without discrimination of any kind.

The ICCPR (Article 2(3)) and ECHR (Article 13) further enshrine the right to legal remedy in case of violation of the rights and freedoms set forth in these documents. Specifically, Article 2(3) of the ICCPR obliges Armenia to ensure that any person whose rights have been violated shall have an effective remedy, “notwithstanding that the violation has been committed by persons acting in an official capacity”.

The right to refuse to perform military service for reasons of conscience is inherent in the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion, enshrined in Article 18 of the ICCPR, Article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and in Article 9 of the ECHR. At the regional level the Council of Europe and the European Parliament have both urged governments to actively provide for the fulfilment of this right through the creation of a genuinely civilian alternative to military service. They have further stipulated that this alternative must not be of a length which could be considered punitive in relation to military service, and recommended that individuals may be allowed to register as conscientious objectors at any time before or during their military service.

3. Background

Jehovah´s Witnesses have been active in Armenia since 1975. Armenia´s independence from the Soviet Union dramatically changed the context for their activities in the country, and they first requested legal registration as a religious organization in 1995. A Jehovah´s Witness lawyer in Armenia, Lyova Margarian, told Amnesty International that the organization was refused registration 15 times.1 At the same time, aspects of the organization´s activities in Armenia became the source of friction with representatives of the Armenian Apostolic Church.2 There were also reports of discrimination against members of the organization (and other religious minorities).3 The Jehovah´s Witnesses were finally granted registration on 8 October 2004; according to the European Association of Jehovah´s Christian Witnesses, there are now thought to be some 9,000 Jehovah´s Witnesses in Armenia.4

Although the organization has been able to import religious literature since that time, it reported to Amnesty International that it regularly faces problems renting rooms or buildings for religious meetings. Jehovah´s Witnesses in the Armenian capital Yerevan reported several instances where contracts for the rental of premises for the holding of religious meetings had been reneged upon without the reimbursement of funds paid in the form of deposits, thereby incurring financial loss for the organization. In several instances it was state authorities, such as the Ministry of Culture and Youth Affairs, which had intervened to prohibit the fulfilment of contracts.

The Armenian Apostolic Church is the leading religious denomination in the country. Although as noted above the Armenian Constitution provides for the right to freedom of conscience, the Constitution as amended by referendum in 2005 also recognizes “the exclusive historical mission of the Armenian Apostolic Holy Church as a national church, in the spiritual life, development of the national culture and preservation of the national identity of the people of Armenia”. Although Soviet rule diminished the salience of actual religious practice among the Armenian population, a strong link was nonetheless maintained between an Armenian ethnic identity and the Armenian Apostolic Church.5 Whether practicing believers or not, some 90 per cent of the population of Armenia belong formally to the Armenian Apostolic Church. The population of Armenia consists of 98 per cent ethnic Armenians, accounting for a strong correlation between the population and at least nominal membership of the Armenian Apostolic Church.

Perceived losses endured by the Armenian Apostolic Church during the period of Soviet rule and the opening up of Armenian society to the activities of other religious denominations have provided a backdrop for the legislation of a number of rights for the Armenian Apostolic Church. Although the ´Law on Freedom of Conscience and Religious Organizations´, adopted in 1991, provides for the separation of church and state, it also grants the Armenian Apostolic Church official status as the national church. Following a period of negotiations beginning in the year 2000, on 14 March 2007 an agreement or concordat was signed codifying the status and rights of the Armenian Apostolic Church.6 When this agreement was signed, human rights activists expressed concern that it effectively entrenched discrimination against other religious denominations denied the same rights and privileges as the Armenian Apostolic Church.7 These concerns were rejected by the director of the Department for National Minorities and Religious Affairs of the Armenian Government, Hranush Kharatyan.

Although Amnesty International wrote to Hranush Kharatyan in August 2007 to voice some of the concerns addressed in this report, the organization has to date unfortunately not received a response.

The human rights concerns documented in this report have therefore taken place against a background of the legalization and registration of the Jehovah´s Witnesses and other religious groups in Armenia, concerns expressed by representatives of the Armenian Apostolic Church about the impact of new religious denominations on the Armenian Apostolic faith and new legislation codifying the rights of the Armenian Apostolic Church.

4. Compulsory military service in Armenia

Compulsory military service in Armenia dates from the Soviet era and is mandated by the Constitution for all young men between the ages of 18 and 27. Procedures for the draft closely resemble those enacted under Soviet rule, and those completing their military service are issued with a certificate of military service (sometimes referred to by its Russian term voenni bilet). Possession of a certificate of military service is necessary in order to apply for a wide range of documents, including passports and visas, and is essential to enact a number of basic civil rights such as the rights to marry, to apply for higher education within the state education system and to apply for public sector employment.

Since Armenian independence in 1991 the unresolved nature of the conflict between Armenians and Azeris in Nagorny Karabakh has strengthened public perceptions of the need for a strong military in Armenia.8 Following military victory in Nagorny Karabakh the army is more respected by public opinion than other institutions.9 In recent years demands for a strong military have been bolstered by a sense of strategic vulnerability in the context of high military expenditures in Azerbaijan and regular statements by Azerbaijani politicians regarding the possibility of the use of force to resolve the conflict. Jehovah´s Witnesses in Yerevan told Amnesty International that they believed the context of the Nagorny Karabakh conflict militated against the creation of a civilian alternative service, as the authorities fear a ´stampede´ of conscientious objectors that would weaken Armenian military capacity. These factors provide an unfavourable backdrop to the exercise of the right to conscientious objection.10

5. Alternative civilian service in Armenia: still under military control

When Armenia acceded to the Council of Europe in 2001 it committed itself to the introduction of a genuinely civilian alternative service of non-punitive length for those whose beliefs do not allow them to perform military service. In July 2004 a Law on Alternative Service was introduced in order to fulfil this commitment. The Deputy Prosecutor General informed Amnesty International that the ´Law on Alternative Service´ offers citizens of Armenia objecting to compulsory military service on conscientious grounds the opportunity to perform “an alternative civilian service”.11 However, since its introduction the extent to which the alternative civilian service is genuinely civilian, and therefore fulfils Armenia´s obligations as a Council of Europe member state and its wider obligations under international human rights law, has been disputed.

According to information gathered by Amnesty International, in both its legislative framework and implementation the alternative civilian service remains under the supervision and control of the military and so does not constitute a genuinely civilian alternative to military service. Although this has been denied by some Armenian officials, the alternative civilian service continues to be under the overall supervision of the Ministry of Defence, thereby nullifying its ostensibly civilian character.12 The fact of military supervision has been confirmed by Jehovah´s Witnesses who opted to perform the alternative civilian service. Jehovah´s Witnesses told Amnesty International that members of their organization performing the alternative service were, for example, reportedly not allowed to leave their place of work without the permission of the nearest military authority or police. They were reportedly required to wear uniforms provided by the military, could be transferred to reserve units, and were required to keep an official pay-book/identity card marked ´RA Armed Forces´. Those who fell ill during the service were sent to military hospitals for treatment. Allegedly, part of their daily programme was determined by staff in the Ministry of Defence, and involved physical exercise typical of a military, rather than civilian, regime. Furthermore, it was reportedly the Military Prosecutor´s Office that was the authority dealing with alleged breaches of discipline.

Military oversight of the alternative civilian service is further confirmed by the issuing of Order No.142 on 20 December 2004 by then Deputy Minister of Defence Michael Harutunian. This order mandated weekly military supervision of those performing the alternative civilian service. Monthly written reports were also to be submitted to the Chief of General Staff. Finally, Jehovah´s Witnesses refusing to perform or abandoning the alternative service on grounds of conscientious objection have been prosecuted as if they were military personnel under Articles 327 and 362 of the Armenian Criminal Code, which deal with draft evasion and desertion respectively.

As noted above, it is stipulated by the Council of Europe that alternative civilian services must not be punitive in length. Those performing military service in Armenia must serve for two years, whereas those performing the alternative civilian service must serve three and a half years. Although there is no simple standard for determining when length of service becomes punitive, Amnesty International believes that the fact that those performing the alternative service must serve for 75 per cent longer than those performing military service is suggestive of an intent to punish, by imposing a significantly longer alternative service requirement.

A further problem with the legislative framework of the alternative civilian service is that the ´Law on Alternative Service´ does not allow for applications for conscientious objection to be made by serving conscripts. Applications to object to military service on conscientious grounds must be made prior to the beginning of the months of March or September preceding the bi-annual drafts. Serving professional soldiers are omitted entirely from legal provisions regulating conscientious objection.

Although a number of amendments were introduced to the ´Law on Alternative Service´ in 2005 and 2006, the above deficiencies have been acknowledged by the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE). Paragraph 6.7 of PACE Resolution 1532, adopted on 23 January 2007, noted that the PACE was “disappointed to note that the current law, as amended in 2005 and subsequently in June 2006, still does not offer conscientious objectors any guarantee of “genuine alternative service of a clearly civilian nature, which should be neither deterrent nor punitive in character”, as provided for by Council of Europe standards.”13 The Resolution further expressed concern regarding the imprisonment of conscientious objectors.

Amnesty International welcomes the acquittal in November 2006 of 19 men, all Jehovah´s Witnesses, who began the alternative service in December 2004 but later abandoned it and after their conviction and imprisonment filed an appeal with the European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) against their imprisonment (Khachatryan and 18 Others v. Armenia).14 These individuals have not received compensation and Amnesty International urges the Armenian authorities to review their applications for compensation commensurate with the distress imposed by wrongful imprisonment.

However, Amnesty International remains seriously concerned by the continuing imprisonment of increasing numbers of conscientious objectors. As of 26 September 2007 there were 82 Jehovah´s Witnesses imprisoned in Armenia (73 tried and convicted, nine charged and in pre-trial detention). This number represented a new record and the continuation of a trend of increasing numbers of conscientious objectors in prison, a trend fuelled by lengthened sentences (see below) and greater reluctance to release conscientious objectors on parole. According to information supplied to Amnesty International by the Deputy Prosecutor General, a total of 92 Jehovah´s Witnesses were prosecuted under Article 327 of the Armenian Criminal Code between January and September 2007.

6. Prisoners of conscience

Although Amnesty International does not question the right of governments to conscript individuals into armed forces, the organization upholds the right of every person to refuse to perform military service on the grounds of conscience, deeply held ethical, moral or philosophical beliefs or profound personal conviction, without suffering any legal or physical penalties as a result. Amnesty International further believes that this right extends to those already conscripted, so that they may claim conscientious objector status at any time up to and after entering the armed forces. Furthermore, a state of war or active hostilities cannot be used as grounds for derogating the right to perform an alternative civilian service. Where an individual has not refused to perform an alternative, genuinely civilian service that is neither punitive nor discriminatory in character, Amnesty International considers that individual to be a prisoner of conscience.

In the light of the evidence pointing to the compromised civilian nature, as well as punitive length, of the alternative service in Armenia, Amnesty International believes all Jehovah´s Witnesses currently imprisoned for conscientious objection in Armenia to be prisoners of conscience. The organization calls upon the Armenian authorities to fulfil the pledge given to the PACE on 22 June 2004 by the then parliamentary speaker Tigran Torosyan, that all conscientious objectors in Armenia would be released. Amnesty International is also continuing to urge the Armenian authorities to reform the alternative service in order to remove all aspects of military oversight or control, in order that the implementation of the ´Law on Alternative Service´ may provide a genuinely civilian alternative to military service.

7. Further punitive and discriminatory measures against conscientious objectors

Two further aspects of the situation confronting conscientious objectors in Armenia are a source of concern for Amnesty International. The organization is disturbed by increased reports of prosecutors appealing for harsher sentences when courts do not impose the maximum sentence on conscientious objectors (which are two and four years respectively under Articles 327 and 362 of the Armenian Criminal Code). Jehovah´s Witnesses told Amnesty International that prosecutors consistently appeal to the Court of Appeal to increase sentences handed down to Jehovah´s Witnesses. Reportedly, there had been 12 such cases by March 2007, with no such applications being refused by the Court of Appeal.

For example, the Assistant Prosecutor of the Malatia-Sebastia Community in Yerevan lodged an appeal on 25 September 2006 for the two-year sentence given to Jehovah´s Witness Hayk Gegham Avetisyan to be increased. The Court of Appeal granted the application and increased the sentence to 30 months. It is a concern that increased sentences serve a punitive function further discouraging conscientious objection.

Another source of concern is the fact that Jehovah´s Witnesses who have served prison terms for conscientious objection face further problems after their release. Jehovah´s Witnesses reported that as of March 2007 there were 30 individuals in this situation. All 30 had served their sentences or been paroled. However, they had not been issued with a certificate equivalent to the certificate of military service (widely referred to by the Russian term voenni bilet); they were told by the relevant document-issuing body to apply to their local military authority (known in Russian as voenni kommisariat) for a certificate, which was then refused. Instead they were told to go back into the army and that they could only receive a certificate when they have reached 27 years of age, the upper limit for military service in Armenia.

Without a certificate of military service, it is difficult to secure other important documents, such as passports, visas and internal residency permits, to enter public sector employment or to marry. Without the capacity to receive passports or visas Jehovah´s Witnesses´ right to freedom of movement, enshrined in Article 12 of the ICCPR and Article 2 of Protocol No.4 to the ECHR, is violated.

Paradoxically, Amnesty International has been told that two of the Jehovah´s Witnesses acquitted in November 2006 did receive a certificate of service, indicating that there has been inconsistency in the granting of certificates of service. Amnesty International urges the Armenian authorities to review the cases of these 30 Jehovah´s Witnesses, in order to ensure that having already been imprisoned for exercising their right to conscientious objection, they receive the necessary certification to end any further penalization for their legitimate exercising of this right.

8. Allegations of impunity relating to violence directed at Jehovah´s Witnesses

Amnesty International is also concerned by increasing reports of violence directed against Jehovah´s Witnesses, including physical attacks allegedly perpetrated by clergy members of the Armenian Apostolic Church. These attacks represent violations of the right to physical and mental integrity, a right which the Armenian authorities have a responsibility to protect as well as to respect, and since they appear to target their victims as Jehovah´s Witnesses, they further constitute a form of discrimination. In this context Amnesty International is concerned by allegations that the Armenian authorities have failed to exercise due diligence in effectively investigating and prosecuting such assaults, which would have an important preventive and protective effect. A related concern is the apparent violation of the right to effective remedy, as stipulated in Article 2 (3) of the ICCPR and Article 13 of the ECHR (see above).

In March of this year an Amnesty International delegate met with representatives of the Jehovah´s Witnesses in the capital Yerevan. They told Amnesty International that in some senses conditions had improved since the Jehovah´s Witnesses had been registered as a religious organization on 8 October 2004. For example, they reported that at least until March 2007 (see below) they had been able to import and distribute religious literature. They were also able to hold religious meetings on the same basis as other religious organizations.

However, Jehovah´s Witnesses also told Amnesty International that acts of violence against them increased following the 2004 registration of their organization. They reported a number of incidents over the previous year in which their members had been physically assaulted by unknown assailants, or by inhabitants of their locality. They further stated that their attempts to secure effective remedy for these physical assaults had been largely unsuccessful.

These concerns were raised by Amnesty International´s delegate in March with the Head of Division for Human Rights and Humanitarian Issues in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Some of the cases discussed below were confirmed to Amnesty International by the Republic of Armenia Police. Yet surprisingly, Amnesty International was later informed in October by the Deputy Prosecutor General that the Prosecutor´s Office possessed no information relating to assaults against Jehovah´s Witnesses in Armenia. This gives rise to the concern that while some investigative activity into the cases discussed below has taken place, the Armenian authorities are failing to consider the possibility that there is a discriminatory aspect to these assaults, i.e. that they are specifically directed against Jehovah´s Witnesses as members of a particular group. Amnesty International is therefore concerned that the lack of effective investigation and prosecution of such assaults, combined with the apparent denial of their discriminatory basis, is contributing to a climate of impunity for discrimination against Jehovah´s Witnesses and the physical attacks it engenders.

On 21 August 2006 Jehovah´s Witnesses Zoya Tamaryan and Lena Karapetyan were allegedly physically assaulted in Shengavit by Ashot Poghosyan, a priest of the Armenian Apostolic Church. He reportedly hit both women, one of them so hard that she fell and fractured her arm; he also threw a rock and a bottle at the two women. Police have reportedly confirmed this incident, but did not open a criminal case after Ashot Poghosyan expressed remorse for his assault. Appeals by the Jehovah´s Witnesses to the court of first instance and the court of review to overturn the police decision not to open a criminal case were rejected.

According to information supplied to Amnesty International by the Police of the Republic of Armenia, the assault was in fact ´a neighbourly quarrel´ between Ashot Poghosyan and Zoya Tamaryan ´who happened to be a Jehovah´s Witness´, although the reasons for the quarrel and why it should have turned violent are unclear. The Armenian Police told Amnesty International that the appeal to open a criminal case against Ashot Poghosyan was rejected in accordance with paragraph 2 of Article 37 of the Code of Criminal Procedure (circumstances giving discretion to refuse criminal prosecution).

Jehovah´s Witnesses also told Amnesty International that on 28 February 2007 two Jehovah´s Witnesses, Ruben Khachaturian and Narine Gevorkian, were beaten and threatened with being thrown out of a window by neighbours in the apartment block where they live in the Shengavit suburb of Yerevan. They said that one month later the police had failed to institute a prompt investigation of the assault. On 13 March 2007 Jehovah´s Witness Vartan Gevorkian was reportedly attacked by unknown men in the street in Shengavit. His attackers were prevented from seriously beating him by intervening passers-by. On 17 March a Jehovah´s Witnesses meeting in the village of Sevabert in Abovian region was allegedly interrupted when unknown men broke down the door, stole a music system and cut the electricity supply. Allegedly, no investigation into this case was initiated. On 17 April Jehovah´s Witnesses Marine Rushanyan and Elvina Artunyan were threatened by a man with a pistol while conducting public ministry. Although they filed a complaint with the police on 21 May they were informed that a criminal case would not be opened due to lack of evidence. According to the Armenian Police, however, no complaints were lodged with them in relation to these four cases.

On 1 June, in the village of Lusarat in the Ararat district, Jehovah´s Witnesses Armen Khachatryan and Hamest Petrosyan were physically attacked by an unknown man while engaged in a discussion with a young woman on religious themes. Armen Khachatryan later appealed to the police and Prosecutor General´s office for the case to be investigated as both Witnesses had sustained physical injuries. According to the Jehovah´s Witnesses, the Ararat District Police investigated the case. The alleged attacker in this case was an Armenian Apostolic priest from the town of Gyumri who was visiting his family in Lusarat on the day of the attack. The Jehovah´s Witnesses agreed to try to resolve the matter without legal action if the priest apologized for his actions. However, he denied the incident and the police dropped the case. The Armenian Police told Amnesty International that the opening of a criminal case was rejected due to the absence of any criminal act punishable under the Criminal Code.

Amnesty International is concerned that this rise in the number of assaults on Jehovah´s Witnesses may be related to perceptions of a climate of impunity in the absence of effective investigation and prosecution of such assaults by law enforcement agencies. State parties to international human rights instruments such as the ICCPR and ECHR are obliged not only to respect human rights in the actions of state institutions and law enforcement agents, but to demonstrate due diligence in taking steps to prevent, investigate and prosecute human rights abuses by non-state actors. States bear a responsibility when they fail to prevent or investigate human rights abuses or secure redress for victims. In this context, Amnesty International is concerned by claims of the lack of prompt, thorough, independent and impartial investigation into cases of alleged assaults against Jehovah´s Witnesses.

Other concerns regarding discrimination

As noted above, Jehovah´s Witnesses informed Amnesty International that following registration the organization had been able to import religious literature into Armenia. However, Jehovah´s Witnesses told Amnesty International that in March 2007 Customs Officials raised the import tax on Jehovah´s Witness periodicals from the equivalent of US$0.05 to $1.00, an increase imposing considerable limitations on the capacity of the organization to import religious literature. Amnesty International sought confirmation from the Armenian authorities in August 2007 whether this was a universal tax increase applying to all periodicals, or whether it applied only to literature imported by Jehovah´s Witnesses, but has received no reply on this issue. In the latter case this would constitute an act of discrimination and a human rights violation. Even in the former case, the effect of the tax increase may have a discriminatory effect, since some religious organizations, such as the Jehovah´s Witnesses, are more dependent on imported literature than others.

Dissemination of discriminatory attitudes

Amnesty International also received reports of the dissemination of views which may be seen as contributing to a climate of discrimination against Jehovah´s Witnesses. For example, a youth organization or group by the name of ´One Nation´ has reportedly been responsible for public processions and the dissemination of posters and flyers warning the public to ´Beware of the Jehovah´s Witnesses´ and to ´Say no to the sects´ (see attached photograph). As noted above, aggressive commentary from Armenian Apostolic Church representatives directed against the Jehovah´s Witnesses has also been documented. Jehovah´s Witnesses in Yerevan told Amnesty International that negative coverage of the Jehovah´s Witnesses (as well as other religious groups and denominations) is common on Armenian television, including both mainstream television channels such as Armenia TV and the specialist religious television channel Shoghakat (´drop of light´).15 A former Minister of Culture, Hakob Movses, recently stated on Shoghakat TV that “sects are the traitors of the nation”.16 Jehovah´s Witnesses have also reported derogatory statements made about their organization by teachers of courses on the history of the Armenian Apostolic Church in schools, and even the failing of Jehovah´s Witness students who refused to convert to the Armenian Apostolic Church.17

Article 20(2) of the ICCPR states that ´[A]ny advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law´. Article 226 of the Criminal Code adopted by the Republic of Armenia in August 2003 criminalizes the incitement of national, racial and religious hatred, and stipulates that the committing of such acts by an organized group constitutes an aggravating circumstance. The Armenian authorities have a responsibility to exercise due diligence in taking action to comply with these international and domestic standards. Furthermore, government officials have a positive responsibility to take the lead in showing non-discriminatory and inclusive attitudes towards groups which face discrimination and hostility in society.

9. Conclusion

Although registration as a legal religious organization has facilitated certain aspects of the activities of the Jehovah´s Witnesses in Armenia, members of the organization continue to confront serious violations of their human rights as a result of their beliefs. This most clearly applies to young male Jehovah´s Witnesses, whose religious beliefs prohibit them from performing military service. The Armenian authorities have failed to comply with Council of Europe standards in introducing an adequate legal framework or structure for the implementation of a genuinely civilian alternative to compulsory military service. The Armenian alternative service does not, in its present configuration, fulfil conscientious objectors´ right to an alternative, genuinely civilian, service that is neither punitive nor discriminatory in character. That this is the case is further substantiated by the fact that at this time of writing no one in Armenia is performing the alternative service.

Since the alternative service in its current configuration is not genuinely civilian, Amnesty International considers all those imprisoned on account of their refusal to perform this service to be prisoners of conscience, imprisoned solely on account of their religious beliefs. An integral aspect of the fulfilment of Armenia´s obligations in this field is the immediate and unconditional release of all conscientious objectors currently imprisoned. All those wrongfully imprisoned should receive adequate compensation, and it is the responsibility of the Armenian authorities to ensure that they suffer no further human rights violations through the withholding of documents necessary for the exercise of their civil, political, social and economic rights.

The Armenian authorities have also failed to protect other rights and freedoms of Jehovah´s Witnesses. They have failed to ensure the prompt, thorough, impartial and independent investigation of reported assaults on Jehovah´s Witnesses, and therefore to prevent the emergence of a climate of impunity with regard to such assaults. Acknowledging the discriminatory aspect to these assaults, that is, that they are directed against Jehovah´s Witnesses as members of a particular group, is a necessary step towards countering discrimination and impunity. Amnesty International urges the Armenian authorities to demonstrate that they are guided by human rights principles in fulfilling and protecting the right to freedom of conscience and religion, and to this end offers the recommendations laid out below.

10. Recommendations

Amnesty International calls upon the Armenian authorities to:

Take active steps to bring the legislative framework and implementation of Armenia´s alternative civilian service into compliance with the commitments and standards to which Armenia is obliged as a Council of Europe member and State party to the ICCPR and ECHR, so that it can offer a genuinely civilian and non-punitive alternative to compulsory military service. Such steps should include:

Releasing immediately and unconditionally all individuals imprisoned solely for exercising their right to refuse to perform military service in the absence of a genuinely civilian alternative, and refraining from imprisoning conscientious objectors in future.

Ensuring that military bodies or officials have no part to play in the legislative framework, implementation or disciplinary structures or practices of the alternative civilian service.

Reducing the length of the alternative civilian service so that the length of the service may not be seen as punishing or deterring the exercise of the right to conscientious objection.

Ensuring, after the introduction of a genuinely civilian alternative service, that all relevant persons affected by military service, including those already serving in the army, have information available to them about the right to conscientious objection and how to apply for the alternative service.

Ceasing without delay the imposition of lengthened or maximum prison sentences punishing and deterring the exercise of the right to conscientious objection.

Issuing without delay a certificate of fulfilment of service to all those who have served prison terms for conscientious objection in order that they face no obstacles in accessing a full range of human rights after their release.

Take active steps to ensure that a climate of impunity does not emerge with regard to physical assaults against Jehovah´s Witnesses or representatives of other minority religious groups. Such steps may include:

Exercising due diligence in ensuring the prompt, thorough, impartial and independent investigation and, where appropriate, prosecution of alleged physical assaults against members of the Jehovah´s Witnesses organization.

Encouraging government officials to take the lead in showing non-discriminatory and inclusive attitudes towards groups which face discrimination and hostility in society.

Ensure that Jehovah´s Witnesses and other registered religious groups are not discriminated against or prevented from exercising the rights extended to them in the ´Law on freedom of conscience and religious organizations´. This may include:

Reviewing import tax increases with a view to ensuring that any such increases do not, in either intent or effect, discriminate against the Jehovah Witnesses or any other religious group.

Ceasing all interventions by state agents to prohibit execution of contracts between the Jehovah´s Witnesses and other parties for venue rental or other services.

1 Amnesty International interview with Lyova Margarian, Yerevan, 27 March 2007.

2 A report published by Amnesty International in 1999 on the subject of the imprisonment of conscientious objectors in Armenia cited the commentary of an Armenian Apostolic bishop referring to the Jehovah´s Witnesses as “a totalitarian sect” posing “the most horrible threats to our people, our state, our faith”. See Armenia. “Respect my human dignity”: Imprisonment of conscientious objectors, (AI Index: EUR 54/06/99).

3 See “ARMENIA: Secret order banishes religious minorities from police”, Forum 18 News Service, 25 April 2003. According to this report, a secret order issued by the head of the police in December 2002 banned representatives of all religious minorities from serving in the police.

4 European Association of Jehovah´s Christian Witnesses, Armenia´s Unresolved Issue of Conscientious Objection to Military Service, London, 2006, p.3.

5 In the words of His Holiness Aram I, “[D]ue to ecclesiological self-understanding and historical circumstances, the Armenian Church has become a major player in nation-building. It has become a powerful promoter of national values and aspirations.” On the Renewal of the Armenian Church, Dialogue with Youth No. 10. See dialogues.htm

6 Among the rights codified are the right to financial assistance from the state budget, the right to implement educational programmes within the state educational system, the right to publication in mass media of the Church´s official reports without changes, the right to recognition by the state of weddings and divorces conducted by the Church and the right to tax-exempt production of items used during religious rites.

7 Vahan Ishkhanyan, “Theology and Politics: Should the Armenian Church also be the state Church?”, ArmeniaNow.com, Issue 9 (228), 2 March 2007.

8 The post-Soviet conflict in Nagorny Karabakh, formerly an autonomous region within Soviet Azerbaijan populated by a local Armenian majority, began in 1988 and escalated into full-blown hostilities in 1991. The war ended in 1994 with the de facto secession of Nagorny Karabakh from Azerbaijan; no state, including Armenia, has recognized the self-proclaimed Nagorno-Karabakh Republic.

9 According to an ´Armenian National Voter Study´ poll conducted by the International Republican Institute, Baltioc Surveys Ltd/The Gallup Organization and the Armenian Sociological Organization in 2006, 83 per cent of the Armenian population has more confidence in the army than in the Church (77 per cent), the president´s office (35 per cent) and the National Assembly (31 per cent). Figures cited in International Crisis Group, Nagorno-Karabakh: Risking war, Europe Report No.187, 14 November 2007, p.18, ft.196.

10 During Soviet times there was no provision for conscientious objection. However, the Armenian Police told Amnesty International that historically a ´silent agreement´ existed between the authorities and representatives of the Molokan community. A religious minority of Russian origin, the Molokans adhere to pacifist beliefs prohibiting them from taking up arms. As a result of the agreement they would serve in kitchens or construction sites during their military service. Although according to the Armenian Police, to this day Molokan conscientious objectors have never been prosecuted, there are reports of one Molokan, Pavel Karavanov, being released in summer 2006 after serving a sentence for conscientious objection.

11 Avoidance of this alternative service, as is the case with draft evasion, is a criminal act under Article 327 of the Armenian Criminal Code.

12 Artur Agabekyan, chair of the parliamentary Defence Committee, and other officials have denied that the alternative civilian service is under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Defence. They claim that it is under the control of the Ministries of Health and Social Security. See “ARMENIA: 82 religious prisoners of conscience is new record”, Forum 18 News Service, 28 September 2007. Other officials, including the Ombudsman, have confirmed that it is under the overall control of the Ministry of Defence.

13 Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, Resolution 1532 (2007), Honouring of Commitments by Armenia. Retrieved from

14 This is the fourth application relating to conscientious objection filed by Jehovah´s Witnesses in Armenia at the ECtHR. The others are Bayatyan v. Armenia, Bukharatyan v. Armenia and Tsaturyan v. Armenia. On 12 December 2006 the ECtHR declared the case of Bayatyan v.Armenia admissible. This case is significant in that the ECtHR will consider the question of conscientious objection directly under Article 9 of the ECHR (the right to freedom of conscience and religion).

15 Shoghakat is an independent television channel originally established in 1998 by then Archbishop Karekin Nersissian, and advocates the values and traditions of the Armenian Apostolic Church.

16 See Vahan Ishkhanyan, ´Essay: Late night lessons in fear´, ArmeniaNow.com, Issue 38 (258), 21 September 2007.

17 Yerevan Press Club, Partnership for Open Society Initiative and Open Society Institute Human Rights and Governance Grants Programme/Open Society Institute Assistance Foundation-Armenia, Monitoring of Democratic Reforms in Armenia Report 2006, p. 28. This report also acknowledged that such incidents had reduced in number, and that whereas there had previously been cases of teachers who were Jehovah´s Witnesses being fired, this was no longer the case. Available at

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40 responses to “Amnesty International Report 2009 on Armenia”

  1. “…Prime Minister Rejeb Erdogan admitted for the first time, that the expulsion from Turkey of tens of thousands of ethnic Greeks in the last century was a “fascist” act, Reuters reported.

    “For years, those of different identities have been kicked out of our country.… This was not done with common sense. This was done with a fascist approach,” Erdogan said on May 23, during the annual congress of the Justice and Development Party, held in the western province of Düzce.

    “For many years,” Erdogan continued, “various facts took place in this country to the detriment of ethnic minorities who lived here. They were ethnically cleansed because they had a different ethnic cultural identity. The time has arrived for us to question ourselves about why this happened and what we have learned from all of this. There has been no analysis of this right up until now. In reality, this behavior is the result of a fascist conception. We have also fallen into this grave error.”

    Look: http://thereport.amnesty.org/en/regions/europe-central-asia/turkey It is better to solve your problems. You have so many…. 🙁 Turkey has about 10 million illiterate people in the XXI century, while my country has 99.4% literacy!!! GENESIS!!!

    Best regards,
    Roza
    REPUBLIC of ARMENIA

  2. Dr. Muhammad Shamsaddin Megalommatis,

    I will not argue with you, it is beyond hope. I would like just to focus your attention on the facts!

    REMEMBER FOREVER: ARMENIA and ARMENIANS NEVER WERE ANTI-ISLAMIC!

    We have excellent and wonderful friends, including ARAB and PERSIAN people!

    We respect and honor our Arab and Persian friends, who saved the Armenian Genocide survivers in 1915.

    Due to their sopport thousand Armenians existed. They help them to have shelter, food and now Armenians are loyal citizens of their hospitable countries!

    I BOW BEFORE ARAB and PERSIAN PEOPLE for their kindness and humanity! THANK YOU!!!

    We have big, rich and powerful Diaspora in Iran, Lebanon, Syira etc!

    By the way, in 2-3 days we are waiting for the visit of the President of Syria Mr. Asad! We are very huppy to meet him in Armenia!!! Welcome to Armenia, dear Mr. President! Armenians respect you and your country!

  3. Tolga Avatar

    The report is clear and straitforward and we remember genocides of Armenian’s icluding most recent the Khocali Massacre where children and pregnant woman were murdered in a cold blooded masacre.
    Asala murders will be remembered.

  4. Robert Avatar

    ROZA and ANNA,

    What is it with you two? Any normal person would hang their head in abject shame by this time, after the whollopping that you’ve received on the other sites! I realize that the term “SHAME” doesn’t exist in the Armenian language, but come on already, how much more must you be humiliated!

    ANNA, you made the ludicrous statement above that Armenians have never been anti-Islamic! Just exactly do you call what the Dashnak Armenian diaspora has been doing for the past century with the Christian nations…the constant use of the religion card!! HELLO!!!

    And yes ANNA, to a certain extent I do agree that Dashnak Armenians haven’t been solely anti-Islamic…They were also responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of non-Moslems before, during and even after WWI!! 2.5 million people (Turks, Persians, Greeks, Arabs, Jews, Azeris, Kurds, Tartars, Georgians) are quite a lot of souls, isn’t it ANNA? Why, Dashnaks even murdered hundreds and thousands of their own people in their villages (non-Dashnak Armenians) during WWI, when they refused to go along with the demonic Dashnak’s plans of ethnic cleansing and genocide against innocent Turks and other ethnic groups (and then tried to blame the Turks for their murderous actions)! Yeah, the Dashnaks weren’t soley anti-Islamic, were they?

    No nation is without their problems. However, you Dashnaks love to play magician all of the time. You’ve been doing it for 100 years and it’s really getting old, real fast! Stop being such denialists!

  5. Mr. Robert,

    WHO, WHO but Turkey has not right to talk about terms “MORALITY”, “SHAME”, “HUMANITY” … especially with ARMENIANS, who profoundly know the nature of turks !!!

    Armenians appreciate deeply NOBILITY of ARABS, PERSIANS and others!!!

    I will repeat: I BOW BEFORE ARAB and PERSIAN PEOPLE for their kindness and humanity especially in 1915! They saved my Armenian People!!! THANK YOU!!!

    But, it is not your fault, you were educated on a “fabricated history” as noted columnist DOGU ERGIL, in his article: “Controversy”:

    “The problem of our beloved nation is that it is subjected to the teaching of a fabricated history in which we Turks are always right and often the victim of foreign and domestic “enemies.” The end result of this ideology-laden history teaching is ignorance of the historical facts and the truth about what we have done. That is why an average Turk believes that the 1915 deportation of over a million Armenians is only a just measure for punishing them for committing treason”

    http://todayszaman.com/tz-web/yazarDetay.do?haberno=176806

    E basta!!!

    Don’t wait any reply!!!
    It is beyond hope to change your mentality!
    TIME IS MONEY! I have no time to teach you.
    If you have intension to know TRUTH, you will find it!

    GOOD LUCK!!!

  6. Anna,

    ROBERT=NAZI
    DER STURMER=TURKISH FORUM
    KIRLIKOVALI=BIG NAZI CHIEF, KEMALIST LAPDOG, ORANGE COUNTY PATRIOT

    Why should the children of Genocide debate the cowardly offspring of the murderers, whose chief complaint sems to be that a few Armenians survived? The Grey Wolves here and throughout Turkey want all Armenians dead.

    Hrant Dink. They kiled him, and then they claimed Armenians did it. Their orange County fat boy, Kirlikovali, immediately blamed Armenians in an article he wrote.

    The spirit of Genocide is in them. .

  7. Dear JDA!

    Thank you, you are right!!!

    Thanks!!!

  8. Robert Avatar

    ANNA=JDA=RAT,

    Since you are all one in the same, and since all that you can do is side-step the issues (never honestly addressing it), and your usual tactic of insults, there really isn’t a whole lot to discuss with you RAT! Since you love to play this game of alternate personalities (a sure sign of mental illness by the way), and because I’m not into stupid games, you’ll just have to go back to playing with yourself, using your magnifier! What a loser!!

  9. Tolga Cakir Avatar
    Tolga Cakir

    A total nonsense you are then presuming that Terrorist Asala is local grocer.

    Our tolerance has limits and means that we will not be tolerant to Asala Terrorists sympatizers like you Anna.
    Spirit of Terorism is in you Anna.

  10. Dear Anan,

    Within this logic can someone say that you gave birth to Talat Pasa on issuing the order for the Tehcir law.

    Would not you be kind enough instead to say sorry from the families of those killed by ASALA, as many Turks do just to give a friends hand without any real knowledge of what happened 100 years ago.

  11. Mr.Robert,

    As usual you are wrong. I don’t know who is JDA???

    I am Anna, from wonderful city of YEREVAN, Republic of ARMENIA. From where is Mr. or Ms. JDA, I have no idea!

    I see the great educational and moral difference between us.

    I live in dignity and I will never call you rat!

    Yes, it is obvious, turks need badly education — 10 million illetirate turks are too much, too much!!!
    🙁

    ***

    Mr. Tolga,
    You, turks, with your brutal past and Genocide denial have given birth to ASALA!!
    It is your fault!

  12. I do not compare Talat Pasa with ASALA, I compare your way of look to sadly deaths as a human. If you say that someone had the right to kill others, so that they killed someone, Ottoman Government (Not Turkish) had the right to send out Armenians for its own safety.

    Can a state issue such an order in this era? Most probably no, just like no court would find someone un-guilty of a murder depending on the killed person.

  13. Dear Suas,

    Don’t compare Talat Pasa with ASALA!

    Talat, Enver and Jemal (the Turkish Government) wanted to liquidate the Armenians of the Ottoman Empire. They planned and commited GENOCIDE. GENO-CIDE!!! It is different than what have done ASALA. They desired to break the silence of the world on the Armenian GENOCIDE.

    Soghomon Tehleryan’s all relatives were slaughtered during the Genocide and when he killed Talat in Berlin, he was not terrorist! Never. Even German court brought in a verdict of not guilty! Have you ever ask yourself — WHY???

    The easiest thing is to give advises!!! Enstead of your advise “to say sorry from the families of those killed by ASALA” it is better to think about appologize for 1.5 million killed ARMENIANS!

    Jemal’s grandson did it!!! He is not guilty for his grandfather!

  14. Dear SUAS,

    LIFE IS GRANTED BY GOD!!!

    You misunderstand me! NOBODY HAS RIGHT TO KILL! NEVER!

    I am against killing!

  15. Tolga Cakir Avatar
    Tolga Cakir

    One day there where pupets of other governments. These pupets where Terorists and these unhuman people where seeking human rights with Terorism.

    Right to live is the major human right.

    There is no explanation what so ever for this bloody Armenian terorism. It seems instead of apologising you still continue to speak nonsense.

    Turks are tolerant and you are allowed to discuss your views here but not your insults and terorist views.

    And this is en of it.

  16. Dear Tolga Cakir,

    We are different, I mean Armenians and turks!!!

    Turks hate Armenians, nothing have been changed since 1915…

    The same situation is with your brother-azeries..

    Please, read the below:

    “Khalida Bayramova, Chairman of the committee on Human Rights Protection and adults of Sabail district of Baku.

    “There is a notion such as “pathological hatred”, I have the same feeling towards Armenians. There is no good Armenian for a Turk or an Azeri”.

    http://www.huliq.com/5842/81840/azerbaijan-far-away-civilization-and-its-officials-suffering-pathological-hatred

    1-2 weeks of discussion with turks at turkishforum.com shows the same hatred from turks… It is very sad!

    But it is not your fault, you were educated in hatred!
    You poison your and your children’s souls!

  17. Tolga Cakir,

    Right to live is the major human right!!! Turk tells this brilliant idea to Armenian!

    My GOD. Turk, whose ancestors have killed 1.5 million my people, men, women and children! And after all you say: “Right to live is the major human right”????????????????????????????!!!!
    EXCELLENT!!!

  18. Tolga Cakir Avatar
    Tolga Cakir

    We have no problem with any Armanians who live in Turkey in peace but agent provacators like you take the advantage of freedom.

    I do not need to show any evidence of our grandfathers history which is purely clean and something you people can not take our great empire’s history.

    Giving couple of fake document and creating terorism lying and creating hate is your job.

    You terorise right of our citizens aa well as Armenians who wants peace.

    There is enough evidence here for you to educate yourself.

    I had no education on hate. But i start to have utter feeling towards agent provactors like you.

    I have got no sympathy to you.

    You terorists will never be a winner.

    We and Armenians are going to be living in peace soon. But one littel note Asala is not Turkish , Khocally massacre is not Turkish all the world with the right evidences knows whose habit is killings in masses.

    Khocaly genocide is made by you not by Turks. What was your explanation for that.

    I am sure you will have some for that too.

    Your ignorance clearly indicates that you are the one who has been told to hate , and lie.

    Read our documents.

    I cannor waste my time with low people like you.

    If you have anything to say meet me and say it.

  19. Robert Avatar

    Okay ANNA, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. You say that you are not the RAT (a.k.a. JDA, etc.), then I will take you at your word.

    You bring up above, in one of your letters, Talat’s “plan of exterminating Armenians”. The only “evidence” that dashnak Armenians have EVER produced to support this accusation is one that had THREE major flaws. When examined by scholars and experts from around the world, they found the following:

    1). The three and four -digit codes that would have been employed in EVERY official dispatch, letter, etc by Talat (and those before) were not only two digits, but in many areas of this “evidentury document”, the codes were non-existant!
    2). The Tourah seal was incorrect!
    3). Talat’s signature was unique to him. In the presented “evidence document” by the dashnaks, his signature was completely wrong!

    Every expert that has examined this “document” has arrived at the same conclussion…THIS “DOCUMENT” IS A FORGERY!! ANNA, if you dashnaks are going to forge something, and then attempt to present it as evidence to experts, the very least you should do is educate yourselves, via a little research, as to evey aspect of said document! You mentioned above that you “live in dignity”. Really? Do you even know what the term “DIGNITY” truly means? How about the term “HYPOCRACY”? But, it gets better!

    You state in your letter above “But it is not your fault, you were educated in hatred!”. ANNA, being that you’re a dashnak Armenian apologist, you would be aware of the Armenian organization here in America called the AYF (Armenian Youth Federation). This organization has been infiltrated and has been shown to be a hate indoctrination camp for young Armenian children! It is cloaked under the guises of being a summer camp for Armenian children, to teach them about their heritage, about America, nature, etc. Children are taught to hate Turks by being exposed to the very same lies and fabrications that dashnak Armenians have been shamelessly touting repeatedly everywhere (long debunked “evidences”). These camps are tailored after the Hitler Youth Camps before and during WWII (in some cases complete with similar uniforms, armbands, and even a swatztika-like flag with tassels)! The AYF provides a non-stop brainwashed generational production of hate! I would rather have 10 million sincere and honest iliterates in my country than to have a constant, continuous assembly-line of generation after generation of youthful, brainwashed hate, propagated and orchestrated by a national party of desperate and disgraceful dashnaks Armenians!

    ANNA, can you say HYPOCRITE?!!

  20. Robert,

    What do Engin Akarli, Selim Derengil, Ahmet Insel, Yektan Turkyilmaz, Umit Ungor, Halil Berktay, Fatma Gocek and Taner Akcam all have in common?

    With the exception of Turkyilmaz, who is Kurdish, they are all ethnic Turkish scholars who affirm the Genocide. The number of ethnic Turkish scholars who affirm the Genocide exceeds the non Turks who deny it or who are agnostics, like Gunter Lewy, who wrote that what Armenians suffered was a”‘colossal crime”, and that whether it was Genocide was an open question. The case for the AG does not depend upon the documents you say are forgeries.

    Apparently you were not trained to show women respect.This is a middle eastern illness, and it can effect Armenins too. Do you want your sisters treated with condescension and derision too? Oh, I forgot, you’re a proud middle eastern male, so the answer must be yes. The genesis of the Honor Killing culture.

    You are concerned about some Tashnag summer camps. It is of course doubtful there are any in Armenia, as the party did not exist there until 1989, and runs no camps there, where it is a minority party.

    If you care about brotherhood and equality you might turn your limited powers to the Turkish schools, which teach racism nd race hatred to their students. They teach millions, the Tashnags teach hundreds. They teach that Armenians made soup of turkish childrens’ bones, and require every child in Turkey to watch. Wat have you done to make that stop? or do you have your own DVD set at home to show visitors?

    Will the Genocidal hatred in you lose its obsession with evil ARMENIAN CHILDREN? Didn’t your heroes underTalaat slake their thirst for blood in 1915?

    Only men who are impotent hate entire races as you do. Get a girlfriend and a 50 gallon drum of viagra.
    If you can’t get a girlfriend, ask Ergun to hook you up.

  21. I forgot Fikret Adanir. That makes nine.

  22. Thank you Mr. nra!

    TRUE GENTLEMAN, who first of all noticed the rudeness of Mr.Robert towards woman! Thanks! In any situation one must not lose his face!

    Thank you for your reply, although it was addressed to me. Yes, Mr. Robert especially hates women! It is obviously! The same situation was with Hitler and Taliat, too…

    Your hatred towards Armenians is pathological! I have no such feeling to ALL Turks!

    ***

    For Armenian Genocide denialist Mr. Robert:

    “It is imperative that from Istanbul to India and China there be only one unitary Muslim population with Syria serving as a nexus between the Muhammedan worlds of Asia and Africa. This vast project will be accomplish through the scientific genius and organizational talent of the Germans and the valiant arm of Turks”
    J. de Morgan “Contre les barbares de l’Orient (Paris: Berger-Levrault, 1918) p. 188. See also Journal d’Orient, 11 May 1919, p. 2, col. 3

    There are striking similarities between the Armenian Genocide and the Jewish Holocaust in the behavour of the perpetrators. In this sense, the Armenian experience can be seen as a precedent for the subsequent Jewish experience.

    So, the words of Mr. Erdogan gain special importance!!! “…For years, those of different identities have been kicked out of our country.… This was not done with common sense. This was done with a FASCIST approach”.

    “… The time has arrived for us to question ourselves about why this happened and what we have learned from all of this. There has been no analysis of this right up until now. In reality, this behavior is the result of a FASCIST conception. We have also fallen into this grave error.”

    Step by step… Mr.Robert!!!

    P.S. Dear nra, I would like to add to your list also yhe name of Orhan Pamuk. Recently in Armenia was published Armenian translation of his book “Snow”! I have read it in Russian!

  23. Tolga Cakir Avatar
    Tolga Cakir

    STOP BLATANT RACISM NOW

    Peruse http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2008/06/2512-free-e-book-armenian-question.html and http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2008/08/2551-genocide-of-truth-presentation-by.html for further insight and hear direct from the Author of ‘GENOCIDE OF TRUTH’ S.Aya on [email protected]

    Contrary to their claims, 200,000 Armenian traitors of circa 1915 were well armed by outside powers and that’s how Armenians rebelled and murdered 524,000 innocent Turks circa 1915 .. ask them why, but if you feel they are rather economical with truth, let us tell you how!

    The Azeri Jewish leaders cited research saying that some 3,000 Mountain Jews, along with tens of thousands of Azeris, were murdered in 1918 by the Armenian bandits and nationalists in the region of Guba .. how long is that soul destroying Armenian nationalist hatred against anything ‘Turk’ is going to last?

    What would you have said if 200,000 traitors armed by Nazis in the middle of WW2 rebelled, committed high treason, razed British cities and towns and murdered 524,000 innocent British men, women and children in cold blood? How would The British Government may have reacted to beginnings of an intended British Genocide?

    JEWISH HOLOCAUST – By the way, there were the Armenian Nazi Brigade/s –Armenische Legion- from 1935 onwards (i.e. Armenian 812th Battalion of Wehrmacht of some 20,000 men, commanded by Drastamat Kanaian –aka Dro-), The Armenian National Council of 15th December 1942 sanctioned by Alfred Rosenberg –The German Minister of Occupied areas- ) even publishing their own magazine called MITTEILUNGSBLATT DER DEUTSCH-ARMENISCHEN GESSELSCHAFT (Berlin 1938 to end 1944) what do you think they did to the innocent Jews; for example Bucharest 1935, fifth column work?

    Find out what British thought of Armenians pre-WW2, on Foreign Office Document F.O 371/30031/R5337 …. ‘The Armenians (in Turkey) are extremely fruitful ground for German activities ……’ so who are these opportunistic people then ?

    “Wholly opportunistic, the Armenians have been variously pro-Nazi, pro-Russia, pro-Soviet Armenia, pro-Arab, pro-Jewish, as well as anti-Jewish, anti-Zionist, anti-Communist, and anti-Soviet – whichever was expedient.” [3] Sources: [1] Turkkaya Ataov: Armenian Extermination of the Jews and Muslims, 1984, p. 91. [2] C.J. Walker: _Armenia_ London, 1980, pp. 356-8. [3] John Roy Carlson (Arthur Derounian), _Cairo to Damascus_ Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1951, p. 438.

  24. Tolga Cakir Avatar
    Tolga Cakir

    THE INFAMOUS BLUE BOOK by Toynbee….

    COMMENTS , REALITIES & THE TRUTH..

    Subject: Re: http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2008/12/2669-average-armenian-probably-has-more.html

    Ara Baliozian was right when he asserted that Toynbee became a Turcophile, during the 1920’s.

    “What he left out was why the Turks distrusted and disliked Armenian and other Christian minorities so much. Later, Toynbee came to feel that this lop­sidedness was a betrayal of historical truth. His sympathies, in fact, reversed themselves, partly, at least, because he felt he had been unjust to the Turks, and needed to make atonement. At the time, however, though the human de­pravity he described was deeply repugnant to him, his conscience was clear. Emphatic denunciation of Turkish barbarity seemed fully justified, based as it was on carefully evaluated evidence.”

    William H. McNeil, Arnold Toynbee. A Life, New York-London-Oxford, Oxford University Press, 1985, p. 74.

    “Yet at the very time when the agreement was being made, I was being employed by His Majesty’s Government to compile all available documents on the recent treatment of the Armenians by the Turkish Government in a ‘Blue Book’ which was duly published and distributed as war-propaganda. […] THIS IS THE INFAMOUS BLUE BOOK!!

    In attempting to express and explain the Turkish point of view, I am not seeking to suggest that it is right, or to deny the charges brought against the Turkish nation and Government for their treatment of subject peoples during the past century. Their crimes are undoubtedly exaggerated in the popular Western denunciations, and the similar crimes committed by Near Eastern Christians in parallel situations are almost always passed over in silence. At the same time, the facts substantiated against the Turks (as well as against their neighbours) by authoritative investigation are so appalling that it is almost a matter of indifference, from the point of view of establishing a case, whether the embroideries of the propagandists are counterfeit or genuine. The point which I wish to make is that, if our aim is not simply to condemn but to cure, we can only modify the conduct of the Turks by altering their frame of mind, and that our only means of doing that is to change our own attitude towards them. So long as we mete out one measure to them, another to the Greeks , and yet a third to ourselves, we shall have no moral influence over them.”

    Arnold J. Toynbee, The Western Question in Greece and Turkey, London, Constable and Co, 1922, pp. 50 et 227.

    “Robert F. Zeidner. He graduated from the American Military Academy in 1945, and while on duty in Ankara in 1957 he attended a kind of service program at Beirut American University. Dr. Zeidner was a communication officer during that time.
    The university administration gives a cocktail party honoring Prof. Toynbee and some others. During this get-together. Officer Zeidner approaches Prof. Arnold Toynbee and mentions that he came from Ankara. In response A. Toynbee says, ‘Oh really? Turks are very nice people. I have Turkish friends.’ [He says this in 1957].

    Officer Zeidner follows up in surprise, ‘Isn’t it controversial that you wrote those books during World War I which said that Turks mercilessly killed the Armenians?’ Prof. Toynbee blushed, stood motionless for an instant, and then said ‘I was employed by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and I obeyed orders. It was war propaganda material.’ ”

    http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/toynbee-ozdemir.htm

    In 1959, Toynbee met Stanford J. Shaw in Harvard University. S. J. Shaw asked the same question than R. F. Zeidner, and Toynbee responded the same thing (Stanford J. Shaw, From Empire to Republic. The Turkish War of National Liberation, Ankara, TTK, 2000, tome I, p. 62, n. 21).

    Toynbee was an enthusiastic supporter of Kemalism, from 1922 to his death. The only article available online about this question, to my knowledge, is in French, unfortunately:

    http://ipr.univ-paris1.fr/spip.php?article254

    In fact, Toynbee, after 1921, considered that the CUP government had criminal intentions, but that: 1) the Turkish people were not responsible: 2) the Armenian and Greek gangs were not less criminal. This position is very close to Ahmet Emin Yalman’s thesis (Turkey and The World War, New Haven, Yale University Press, 1930; Turkey in my Time, Norman, University of Oklahoma Press, 1956). Yalman was a Toynbee’s friend.

    From …. a friend of TRUTH ….. (a private correspondence ref: S S Aya Esq.)

    SO, HAVE YOU EVER WONDERED WHAT REALLY LIES BEHIND THE ALLEGED ARMENIAN GENOCIDE CLAIMS?

    An Essay by Ara Baliozian – Armenian view

    Speaking of Toynbee: it is widely known that he at no time denied the reality of the Armenian genocide, and this even after he acquired Turkish friends, heard their side of the story, became a Turcophile, and learned the Turkish language. The difference between Toynbee and our nationalist historians is that Toynbee exposed not only the criminal conduct of the Turks but also the blunders of our own leadership, something our historians have at no time dared to do; which may suggest they have not dared to say everything that needed to be said; in other words, their version of the past is only partly true (which is also how propaganda is defined). I feel therefore justified in suggesting that under the guise of supporting our cause, our nationalist historians and Turcocentric ghazetajis have succeeded only in damaging our credibility in the eyes of the world and thus reducing the issue to the status of political football.

    and a READER’S COMMENTARY to Ara Baliozian – Turkish view

    In reference to the above article of Ara Baliozian, for whom I have a great respect for his “straightness, frankness and depth of knowledge” and other than expressing my usual appreciation, agreement for nearly all of his comments and applauding his remark about “Pirates”, I would like to comment on the above sentence as regards Arnold J. Toynbee’s becoming a Turcophile! If Ara bey knows something realiable that I don’t know who led him to such a conclusion, I will be pleased to learn from him (like many other things I learned from him)! However, in view of the various references on Toynbee in my book GENOCIDE OF TRUTH (more than twenty times / sources) I would like to make the following comments, leaving judgment to the reader..

    A. There is no doubt that young Toynbee’s first mission at “Wellington House” under Lord Bryce, was to prepare “documentary evidence to blame Turkey and convince USA to join WW1 for “humane reasons”. Between 1915-1922 Toynbee produced nearly twenty books, all heavily blaming the ENEMIES, the Germans and Turks. It is also a known fact that he worked for the British Intelligence Dept.

    B- His masterpiece “The Blue Book” where he blamed Turks for all types of genocidal crimes, was a great success. However, I have noticed below serious flaws in the dependability of this book:

    1- The book was composed of the reports of US missionaries and/or other Armenian sources, sent in diplomatic bags by Ambassador Morgenthau, and they were all biased. Moreover, Morgenthau bears his signature on the Relief Report No.192 of April 1922, which contradicts his own book and the reports sent to form “The Blue Book”.

    2- On page 313 of my book there is a letter by Toynbee, to Prof. Margouliuth dated June 23, 1916 which is self explanatory regarding the UNRELIABILITY of his sources versus his mission!

    3- Toynbee was in the British delegation sent to Paris in 1919. His book and “all the references he had provided” were found UNSUITABLE TO MAKE A LEGAL COURT against the 144 Turkish detainees held in Malta, waiting to be put on trial for two years, and who were all returned to Turkey without any indictment.

    4- On page 316, there is a letter by Toynbee to Mrs. Ekmejian written in 1966, in which he confessed that “The Blue Book was written for popaganda purposes”.

    5- On page 317, there is a letter dated May 1, 1916 by US Foreign Office to him, confessing that the blanks cannot be filled and the documents used for reference are NOT ACCESSIBLE!

    Hence Baliozian’s statement that Toynbee “at no time denied Armenian genocide” is paradoxical to above references and it is the first time that I hear that “Toynbee later became so friendly with Turks, that he became a Turcophile”! I will appreciate to learn who were the “Turks that could make Toynbee change his idea just for favor”! Ara bey certainly knows better than all of us that “as years pass by, what you learn either proves that you were RIGHT in your first assessment or WRONG! I cannot object to the sentiments and observations of Ara bey, which are always “well intended” (like all of us working in this team). As Ara bey (and myself) notice that too many historians and fanatic writers, bragging on patriotism are damaging the “unearthing of simple truths, human failures” and final compassion which must prevail for future generations. “The Armenians in Istanbul are doing fine” but they are greatly disturbed by the parasitic commentaries coming from abroad “to save them“. A century ago, it was the Armenians from Russia who were so much depressed by the Tzarist regime, who set up Hunchaks and Dashnaks (1880-90s!!) outside of Turkey to save the “Armenians of Turkey” thus bringing nothing but disaster to all their folks. The great heroes “Andranik, Kanajan, Pastermadjian” all escaped to Britain and USA, instead of sharing the disasters they brought on to their own people! There are modern fiery patriots continuously blowing animosities to keep them in business and indispensable, getting rich on the continuous donations for the ‘holy cause’! So, my sincere mission is to save my local Armenian friends from overseas Armenian saviours!

    (Note: Last week I went to Surp Pirgıc Armenian hospital at Yedikule-Istanbul for some check-up and an MR appointment ten days later. Too bad that the outsider trouble-mongers were not next to me, to see how the Turkish patients-doctors communicate with Armenian doctors, staff etc. as has been the case in this institution for about 150 years! .. I therefore say “stop the outside crap and looking from a distance and seeing only what you want to see”! Tell me “which country or nation is perfect and in full justice”! Watch “Sicko” by Michael Moore to learn how things work in USA, the heaven of human rights and democracy!) Speaking of “criminality” I have thousands of photos and writings about “Armenian crimes” which Ara avoids to admit. All humans are alike, and in this episode there are “no clean hands for any party or outside dooms-day pushers”! And how many clean hands do you see today in wars and man-made disasters? Best regards for all times and don’t believe everything you read (not even me) unless if you have “an indisputable proof”.

    Sukru S. Aya

    “This study may be interpreted as a token for humane values, common to all, such as decency, not lying – cheating – swindling – stealing – slandering etc. and promotes the need for trust, compassion, respect for other humans, disregarding their ethnicity, nationality or faiths, beyond their control or personal preferences!” Sukru S. Aya, author of ‘Genocide of Truth’ …

    The ‘Armenian Question’ 1878-1918: a Counter-Narrative
    Venue – London School of Economics, New Theatre East Building 30th January, 2008

    ‘Somewhere between three and four million Ottoman civilians are thought to have died during the First World War. The causes of death of both Muslims and Christians – massacre, malnutrition, exposure and disease – were the same for all but while the suffering of Christians, and especially the Armenians, has been firmly embedded in the western historical, political and cultural mainstream, the fate of the Muslims, nearly a century later, remains invisible and unexamined. The need is long overdue for deconstruction and recontextualisation of the ‘Armenian question’. Prof. J Salt

    STOP BLATANT RACISM

    AGAINST THE TURKS

    AND HELP WORLD COMMUNITY ESTABLISH TRUTH

    FOR THE NEXT GENERATION’S SAKE

  25. Robert Avatar

    ANNA,

    You made a charge of rudeness by me towards women. How am I rude to women? Where is your charge of rudeness when it comes to insults by nra against me? Once again ANNA, your HYPOCRACY is showing!!

    As for nra, I can see that the RAT is back again. RAT, you use the term “Respect”. How can you use this term when you do not even know its meaning? This is just one of the many terms that can not be found in the dashnak Armenian lexicon (along with dignity, honor, decency, shame, humility, humbleness, etc.). Because you’ve just admitted that the dashnaks teach hate to the Armenian children, anything more would be superfulous…You have just summed it all up and proven my point at the same time in that one statement! Also, you talk about soup. I direct your attention to a video from April which may still be on YouTube, showing a Latino buffoon dressed as a Turk from centuries ago, walking around (with several body guards) the streets of Los Angeles pushing a cart that has a plastic skeleton immersed in colored water, with the words Turkish Soup written on the sides. What kind of twisted hate message was being conveyed there? RAT and ANNA, if you want to know about the REAL SOUP, then I direct your attention to a passage from the book “Men Are Like That” by Ohanus Appressian-(The Bobbs-Merrill Company. Indianapolis (1926))….”We found it much easier to take the Turkish babies and drop heavy stones on their heads, thus saving the cost of a bullet. There was a carnival atmosphere as we boiled the babies which we had just ripped open from the wombs of their mothers, and along with the flesh which we carved from their dead males, made a soup and forced the Turkish women to eat it or starve. None would eat it however. Many ran off and threw themselves into the nearby river to drown. There were many wells which we threw their childern in and tossed in many heavy stones on top of them into the wells. What a joyous time as we celebrated all night.”.

    Nothing more to be said here, for this says it all!

    You two can only dance around the real issues. You are too terrified to address any of the points which have been brought forth by others in numerous letters. Only those who are so desperate are willing to shamelessly continue to distract the public from the truth via misdirection and deception.

  26. Mr. Robert,

    You have read the end of the word “Ararat” – “RAT”, because it is more attractive for you, while Armenians used to read the beginning of the word “AR, Ara, arar”. The main words in Armenian language also begin in “ar” or “arar”. “ARARich”-the Creator, “ARev”- the Sun, etc. It is not accidentally, ARMENIANS are “Aryan” race!!!

    Don’t say anything bad to our beloved mountain.

    It is symbol of the Armenian people and ARMENIA.

    Any mountain in the world cannot be compaired as OUR ARARAT, with poems and songs dedicated to it!!! May be Zion, as the symbol of Jews people, I am not sure!!!

    Ararat appears everywhere in Yerevan on company logos-Armenian famous brandy/cognac/, hotels, shops, mineral water bottles, football team, and men’s name…

    “Ararat is the basic of Armenians’ soul”, sings Arto Tunchboyajyan!!!

    It is our St. ARARAT!
    It doesn’t matter for the present it’s in Turkey’s territory… it is in our hearts!!!

  27. The columnist DOGU ERGIL, wrote in his article: “Controversy”:

    “The problem of our beloved nation is that it is subjected to the teaching of a fabricated history in which we Turks are always right and often the victim of foreign and domestic “enemies.” The end result of this ideology-laden history teaching is ignorance of the historical facts and the truth about what we have done. That is why an average Turk believes that the 1915 deportation of over a million Armenians is only a just measure for punishing them for committing treason”

    http://todayszaman.com/tz-web/yazarDetay.do?haberno=176806

    ***

    In their recent report “Noah’s Dove Returns: Armenia, Turkey and the Debate on Genocide,” they explore the issue of “genocide,” which, they said, is the single topic that poisons relations between Turks and Armenians. “There are hardly any reputable scholars in the field of genocide studies who doubt that what happened to the Armenians in 1915 constitutes genocide”.
    Diba Nigar Göksel and Gerald Knaus from the European Stability Initiative (ESI)!!!

    http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=174847

    ***

    STEP BY STEP! GENTLEMEN!!!
    WE REMEMBER for 94 years, we are very patient!!!
    TRUTH will win!!!

    ADDIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    THANKS,

    ANNA

  28. Tolga Cakir Avatar
    Tolga Cakir

    I advice to read the book called Secret Teorrist State: Armenia

  29. Robert Avatar

    ANNA,

    Facts trump opinion everytime! Opinions are like anuses…everybody has one! What you list are the opinions of unknowns who want to have their names in print and don’t care how they go about it! As always ANNA, you’re side-stepping the issues by presenting meaningless garbage! This is known as smoke and mirrors! You’re doing your magic tricks again! Seriously, come back when you have something of substance! Until then, stop wasting people’s time!

    As for ALLA…who cares! Ararat is a mountain. It was here long before man and will be here long after man! You have got some really messed-up priorities, haven’t you?!

    ANNA and ALLA, you should indeed read the book which TOLGA has suggested…ARMENIA: SECRETS OF A CHRISTIAN TERRORIST STATE, by Samuel Weems! It’s quite enlightening! I highly recommend it! Who knows, you may actually learn something.

  30. ARMENIA: SECRETS OF A CHRISTIAN TERRORIST STATE

    Mr.Robert,

    Thanks for your suggestion!

    But I prefer serious literature to fantastic genre!

    I like genuine and high literature!!!

    I prefer to read and also reccomend you to read F. Dostoecsky’s books, for example “CRIME AND PUNISHMENT” !!!

    IT IS JUST FOR YOU!!!

    Best regards,
    Anna, ARMENIA

  31. FOR YOUR INFORMATION!

    Mr. Robert!

    Samuel A. Weems was a disbarred Arkansas lawyer. In 1974, Samuel Weems was disbarred as a lawyer for mixing his clients money with his own. A year later he was convicted of arson and conspiring to defraud an insurance firm[1]. In 1977 a jury found Weems guilty of conspiring to commit arson and ordered him to pay $30,000 to an insurance company (citation). He unsuccessfully ran for the position of mayor of Hazen county in 1994 and 1998. Local courts dismissed his appeals questioning the legality of the election outcomes.[2][3]

    The Turkish Times reported that Weems travelled to Turkey in 2002 for the 81st anniversary of the death of Talaat Pasha, one of the men most responsible for orchestrating the Armenian Genocide[2]. Samuel Weems died from a heart attack on January 25, 2003.

    He was survived by his TURKISH WIFE (!), Gülnur, and a son.

    🙂 🙂

  32. Mr.Robert,

    Thanks, but I prefer to read serious literature to fantastic books.

    I prefer the Fedor Dostoevsky’s books (Have you heard about the Russian renowned classic writer?)

    I recommend you as well as Mr.TOLGA SAKIR, to read DOSTOEVSKY’s famous book!!!

    “CRIME and PUNISHMENT”

    IT IS JUST FOR YOU!!!

    Best regards,
    ANNA, ARMENIA

  33. Yes, Anna,

    You should read the Weems book, right after you read a cartoon book and watch a funny movie or two.

    Samuel Weems was a disbarred Arkansas lawyer. He was not a scholar by any stretch of any imagination. However, he was married to Gulnara, a nice Turkish lady. He took propaganda he was given, and put a nice American name on it. All this shows is how stupid the Turkish government thinks Americans are.

    If you do want to do some serious reading, Robet and Colga, try reading the works of Turkish scholars who affirm the Armenian genocide: Fikret Adanir, Engin Akarki, Ahmet Insel, Selim Derengil, Taner Akcam, Fatma Gocek, Halil Berktay, Umit Ungor, and Yektan Turkyilmaz[actually Kurdish]. In fact, there are more Turkish scholars who affirm the Genocidde than nonTurkish scholars who deny it.

    The ethnicity of the scholars does not matter. Its the facts. By the way, Sari Gelin is not a scholarly work.

    Robert,I see you continue your pathetic and sexist efforts to belitle and “educate” Anna. looks like your anus is especially big.

  34. Robert,

    Which is your greater shortcoming: physical cowardice or wilfull stupidity?

    Lots of brave Turks everywhere…in California.

    Ergun loves Turkey so much he won’t live there, loves Turkish people so much he married an irish woman, and screams his Genocidal rage at Armenians from a gated community in Orange County.
    Nobody even reads his crap except Turks on unemployment.

  35. Robert Avatar

    Hey RAT and the rest of you,

    All you have left is defamation! Numerous issues were presented to you and those that you do not assume an identity for, and not one of them has been addressed by any of you! You’re quick to try and change the topic though, aren’t you?!!!

    You state that Weems “took propaganda that he was given and put a nice American name on it”. You are confusing Weems with Henry Morgenthau (who only rarely left Istanbul himself and relied completely on the information given to him by his Armenian personal assistant and his Armenian male secretary (gee, what could go wrong there?)). Keep in mind that Weems had extensively researched his book in archival locations such as Washington, D.C., London, Moscow, Paris, Berlin and Istanbul (he was, along with all other researchers, denied access to the archives in Yerevan and Boston). Of course, had any of you even read his book, you would have known this! Because dashnak Armenians can not deal with the truth, or take any chances that the truth may be revealed to the world, they ALWAYS revert back to the same old tactic which they have used consistantly since WWI…DEFAMATION OF THE OTHER PERSON’S CHARACTER!! They did it with President Wilson after the war, they did it with President Hoover, with Professor Stanford Shaw, Professor Heath Lowry, the author Samuel Weems, Professor Justin McCarthy, Robin Williams, and others! Also, what difference does the ethnicity of Mr. Weems’s wife make? Why do you even bring this up? Your hatred and lack of decency and character are so very eveident!! All of you ought to be ashamed of yourselves!! But of course, how can any of you do so when you are not familiar with the term “SHAME”? Don’t confuse it with the term “SHAM”, which you are all very well aware of! BTW, examining your characterization of Mr. Weems, let’s take a look at a similar situation. Mr. Robert Stroud was convicted for murder and spent the rest of his life in prison. Yet he studied and researched in his prison cell (with nothing more than a few crude and rudimentary devices at his disposal, and a cheap microscope), the dieseases which were afflicting his birds. He made detailed diagrams of the various parasites that he saw, and came up with treatments for many of the avian illnesses. His was a break through in Avian medicine, and his published book became the standard for decades of all veterinarians! He was later known as “The Birdman of Alcatraz”. Now, just because he was doing a life sentence for murder, does that make his book and his dedicted research and massive contributions dubious or indeed worthless? Should the world ignore what he did? By extrapolating your pitifully immature and archaic mindset, you dashnaks would respond YES (no one else, of course, would)! What does that really say about all of you? No one is making this up…it’s all coming from your own black hearts! Truly there is a great demon inside all of you! Your own hate will destroy you all! you are ALL to be pittied!!

  36. Mr. Robert,

    You wrote: “Truly there is a great demon inside all of you! Your own hate will destroy you all!”

    As usually you are mistaken!!!! We, Armenians don’t hate turks, we just FIGHT for JUSTICE!!! 🙂

    The “pathological hatred” is in your heart and mind!!! Take care!!!!

    I pity you.

    You are mentally unbalanced!

    ***
    I HAVE REPEAT!

    The columnist DOGU ERGIL, wrote in his article: “Controversy”

    “The problem of our beloved nation is that it is subjected to the teaching of a fabricated history in which

    we Turks are always right and often the victim of foreign and domestic “enemies.” The end result of this

    ideology-laden history teaching is ignorance of the historical facts and the truth about what we have done.

    That is why an average Turk believes that the 1915 deportation of over a million Armenians is only a just

    measure for punishing them for committing treason”

    http://todayszaman.com/tz-web/yazarDetay.do?haberno=176806

    ***

    PLEASE, READ DOSTOEVSKY’s famous book- “CRIME and PUNISHMENT” ! It is really just for you!!!

  37. Robert,

    I think Anna has your number, so she does not need my help, and never did.

    I am not, and doubt she is a Tashnag. Are you a grey Chihuahua?

    Defamation means a false statement of fact which greatly undermines a person’s repuation. What false statement did I make about the late Weems?
    By the way, how did this elderly disbarred lawyer from the metropolis of Hazen, Arkansas afford his trips to Turkey where he was feted as some kind of great friend of the Turks?

    There are millions of non Tashnags who affirm the Genocide of the Christians of Anatolia. Want a partial list? Start with my list of Turkish scholars who affirm it. You remember: Akarli, Adanir,Berktay,Ungor, Akcam, Gocek, Derengil, Turkyilmaz et al.

    By the way, do you think any Armenian civilians were killed by the Ottoman state actors 1915-1923? How many?

    Dp you think the kilings by Serbs of Moslems in Srbenica was genocide? I do

  38. Robert Avatar

    ANNA,

    It took me a moment to recover from the great laught that you have provided me after reading the second sentence of your letter. I must admit that I neede a good laugh today! Your statements are so farcicle that the reader must regain his/her composure before they actually realize that you are that ridiculously ignorant and stuck in a hopelessly brainwashed state of denial! This may be attributted to your early years of hate indoctrination at the Hitler-like youth camps known as the AYF (When did you graduate and earn your right to proudly wear your swatztika-like armband?). Zieg Heil baby!!

    As for the RAT, I will no longer bother responding to you. You’re simply a waste of anyone’s time! As for your statement of denial regarding Mr. Weems, try re-reading your letter! RAT, you’re like a fungus…you pop up everywhere!

  39. Robert Avatar

    RAT,

    Just to answer your final question…Yes, I do believe that the ethnic cleansing of the Bosnian Moslems by the Chriatian Serbians was indeed a GENOCIDE!! At least we agree on one thing!

    You two must have surely noticed by this time that I do not hate Armenians. That is why I always differentiate them from the dashnak Armenians, who are the ones that have committed treason, genocide and global terrorism! I have several Armenian friends who are NON-DASHNAK and are good, hard-working people. They have all told me, over the years, the truth of what dashnaks have done to Moslems, non-Moslems and non-dashnak Armenians (their own people!), and how dashnaks have soiled the reputation of all Armenians! I’ll bet you two are real proud of yourselves now, huh!!

  40. Fahrettin Altay Pasha Avatar
    Fahrettin Altay Pasha

    Anna and Rosa, you say you are in Erivan Armenia. Congratualtions! You two must be the ones who can afford Internet in Armenia. Its about time you stopped spending your money on technology rather than erecting monuments based on lies.
    You know Talat Pasha never sent any orders of such nonsence, the forgeries put forward by the Tashanaksoutiens were proven by Armenians themselves.. I must point out that you still have this forged document on display at the Museum in Yerevan! Your hate of Turks clouds your judgement, or you now beleive the lies you started. Look around you! You live in a Turkish Sea. Turks to the North, South, East and West. There are millions of Turks around Armenia. You should learn to live with your neighbours!
    Only in Armenia are the young school children taught to “Never Forget and seek revenge!!” This is the realms of your hatred. Not your fault. The Dashnaks thought they had a plan, which when paid off will enable them to enjoy a “Greater Armenia” what they didnt calculate was Turks are nice to you and will forgive you for anything, until you try slaughter their kin.
    Anna, Istanbul is home to 80 000 legal Armanians. Many more arrive annualy. Istanbul has Armenian schools, Churches and a hopital. Do you have any Ethnic Muslim shools in your country? Any Hospitals? Any Mosques? I wonder why not?
    Its time for your lies to come to an end. History will eventually show who is guilty and who is innocent. You can hide your arhives as much as you want…. the truth will provail!

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