FORGET ARMENIA, TURKS SHOULD CONDEMN AMERICAN INDIAN GENOCIDE

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Massacre, Wounded Knee, South Dakota, December 1890

Turkey is today beset on all sides by the shock doctrine strategy of the west, and from within by its US-backed marionette government. Now the Armenian Genocide issue has once again bubbled to the surface. Apologize! Apologize! yell the so-called Turkish liberals, egos stroked and, no doubt, palms greased by their western puppeteers. It’s the same old drama with the same stodgy cast burbling the same trite lines. As usual, the Turkish government does nothing, thus contributing to the confusion, apathy, and fear that stalk the land. But that’s the whole idea isn’t it?

Turkish people! Instead of handwringing and moaning, ACT! Turkish people, you heirs of the Atatürk Revolution, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk gave you the right (and responsibility) to save your country. https://yunus.hacettepe.edu.tr/~sadi/dizeler/hitabe2.html ) Fight the rush-to-judgment efforts of the Armenian Genocide lobby. Every “Turkish child of future generations” should demand that their parliament immediately enact a resolution that condemns the American Indian Genocide. Turkish people…ACT! Defend your country against the dark powers that Mustafa Kemal Atatürk foresaw over eighty years ago. The facts of the catastrophe done to the American Indians are in plain sight and beyond dispute. Spain, Portugal, England, and, most importantly, the United States of America should stand condemned in the eyes of the world for the crimes committed against the aboriginal population in the Americas.

More than 200 million Indians lost their lives on the combined North, Central, and South American continents after Columbus landed in 1492. The Indians in South and Central America were mostly enslaved to extract precious metals. The Indians in North America were displaced, starved, and slaughtered to make way for the enormous flow of European immigrants. Vast numbers died from European diseases, perhaps the first weapon of mass destruction, in this case, biological warfare. Surely Turkey has the right to defend itself from the Western claims of genocide, given the historically bloody hand of the West.

From approximately 15-18 million North American Indians present in the days of Columbus, only 190,000 were left in the territorial United States in 1890. The destruction of the Southern Indians (the Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, and Creek tribes) resulted in the seizure and clearance of their enormously fertile forest lands (the Southern black belt) in order to expand both slavery and cotton production in Arkansas, Alabama, and Mississippi. In this manner, the red and black races were displaced, enslaved, and murdered in order for white America to prosper. The proof of this assertion is fully documented and unassailable.

On the other hand, Turkey has welcomed the persecuted minorities of many nations. The same year that the destruction of the American Indians began, 1492, Turkey’s Sultan Bayezit II accepted with kindness and consideration the Jews expelled from Spain and Portugal. Similar compassion was rendered to Jews centuries later who fled Hitler’s genocide. Surely Turkey has the right, the responsibility, and moral authority to counter the orchestrated, poorly documented, rush-to-judgment of the Armenian Lobby and its collaborators, both western and Turkish.

The horrific destruction of the sophisticated Native American cultural system was encouraged by the government of the United States, particularly under the administration of that so-called champion of so-called democracy, Andrew Jackson. By 1890, the American Indians were finished. Their numbers had been reduced by 98 percent over the 400 years since Columbus landed. By 1890 the United States government had seized 98 percent of their land. No greater genocide or land grab has existed in the history of the world. Surely Turkey has the right to challenge the unproven claim of so-called genocide by affirming through parliamentary resolution the well-documented genocide of an entire race of people by an act of policy by the government of the United States of America.

It is high time that Turkey takes the offensive on the matter of genocide. In this day of widespread destruction, it is high time to remind America, Americans, and their government, that they are up to their ancestral elbows in the blood of the American Indians. The Turkish government must condemn the American Indian Genocide, or itself be condemned. And if you, the Turkish people, think that makes you a traitor, then read again Nazım Hikmet’s magnificent poem, Vatan Haini (“Traitor”) below, along with Atatürk’s statement of your “primary duty.”

Cem Ryan, Ph.D.
Istanbul
21 December 2008

TRAITOR


“Nazim Hikmet is still continuing to be a traitor,
We are a half-colony of American imperialism, said Hikmet.
Nazim Hikmet is still continuing to be a traitor.”
This came out in one of the Ankara newspapers,
Over three columns, in a pitch-black screaming streamer.
In an Ankara newspaper, beside a photograph of Admiral Williamson,
smiling in 66 square centimeters, his mouth in his ears,
the American admiral.
America gave 120 million lira to our budget, 120 million lira.
“We are a half-colony of American imperialism, said Hikmet.
Nazim Hikmet is still continuing to be a traitor.”

Yes, I am a traitor, if you are a patriot, if you are a defender of our homeland,
I am a traitor to my homeland, I am a traitor to my country.
If patriotism is your farms,
if the valuables in your safes and your bank accounts is patriotism,
if patriotism is dying from hunger by the side of the road,
if patriotism is trembling in the cold like a cur and shivering from malaria in the summer,
if sucking our scarlet blood in your factories is patriotism,
if patriotism is the claws of your village lords,
if patriotism is the catechism, if patriotism is the police club,
if your allocations and your salaries are patriotism,
if patriotism is American bases, American bombs, and American missiles,
if patriotism is not escaping from our stinking black-minded ignorance,
then I am a traitor.
Write it over three columns, in a pitch-black screaming streamer,
Nazim Hikmet is continuing to be a traitor, STILL!

Nazim Hikmet
28 July 1962

(Translation: Hüda Cereb and James Ryan, 1 June 2005)

ATATÜRK’S SPEECH TO TURKISH YOUTH
O Turkish Youth! Your first duty is ever to preserve and defend the national independence, the Turkish Republic.

That is the sole foundation of your existence and your future. This foundation is your most precious treasure. In the future, too, there will be ill-will, both in the country itself and abroad, which will try to tear this treasure from you. If one day you are compelled to defend your independence and the Republic, then, in order to fulfill your duty, you will have to look beyond the possibilities and conditions in which you might find yourself.

It may be that these conditions and possibilities are altogether unfavorable. It may be that the enemies who desire to destroy your independence and your Republic represent the strongest force that the earth has ever seen; that they have through craft and force, taken possession of all the fortresses and arsenals of the homeland; that all its armies are scattered and the country actually and completely occupied.
Assuming, in order to look still darker possibilities in the face, that those who hold the power of Government within the country have fallen into error, that they are fools or traitors, yes, even that these leading persons may identify their personal interests with the enemy’s political goals, it might happen that the nation came into complete privation, into the most extreme distress; that it found itself in a condition of ruin and complete exhaustion.

Even under those circumstances, O Turkish child of future generations, it is your duty to save the independence of the Turkish Republic.

The strength that you will need for this is mighty in the noble blood which flows in your veins.

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk

From“The Great Speech”
20 October 1927

https://yunus.hacettepe.edu.tr/~sadi/dizeler/hitabe2.html

VATAN HAİNİ

“Nâzım Hikmet vatan hainliğine devam ediyor hâlâ.
Amerikan emperyalizminin yarı sömürgesiyiz,” dedi Hikmet.
“Nâzım Hikmet vatan hainliğine devam ediyor hâlâ.”
Bir Ankara gazetesinde çıktı bunlar, üç sütun üstüne, kapkara haykıran puntolarla,
bır Ankara gazetesinde, fotoğrafı yanında Amiral Vilyamson’un
66 santimetre karede gülüyor, ağzı kulaklarında, Amerikan amirali
Amerika, bütçemize 120 milyon lira hibe etti, 120 milyon lira.
“Amerikan emperyalizminin yari sömurgesiyiz, dedi Hikmet
Nâzım Hikmet vatan hainliğine devam ediyor hâlâ.”

Evet, vatan hainliğine, siz vatanperverseniz, siz yurtseverseniz, ben yurt
hainiyim, ben vatan hainiyim.
Vatan ciftliklerinizse,
kasalarınızın ve çek defterlerinizin içindekilerse vatan,
vatan, şose boylarında gebermekse açlıktan,
vatan, soğukta it gibi titremek ve sıtmadan kıvranmaksa yazın,
fabrikalrınızda al kanımızı içmekse vatan,
vatan tırnaklarıysa ağalarınızın,
vatan, mızraklı ilmühalse, vatan, polis copuysa,
ödeneklerinizse, maaşlarınızsa vatan,
vatan, Amerikan üsleri, Amerikan bombası, American donanması topuysa,
vatan, kurtulmamaksa kokmuş karanlığımızdan,
ben vatan hainiyim.
Yazın üç sütun üstüne kapkara haykıran puntolarla:
Nâzım Hikmet vatan hainliğine devam ediyor hâlâ.

Nazım Hikmet

28 Temmuz 1962

https://nazimhikmet.fisek.com.tr/siir/vatanhaini.htm

ATATÜRK’ÜN GENCLİĞE HİTABESİ

Ey Türk gençliği! Birinci vazifen, Türk istiklâlini, Türk Cumhuriyet’ini, ilelebet, muhafaza ve müdafaa etmektir.

Mevcudiyetinin ve istikbalinin yegâne temeli budur.
Bu temel, senin, en kıymetli hazinendir.
İstikbalde dahi, seni bu hazineden mahrum etmek isteyecek, dahilî ve haricî bedhahların olacaktır. Bir gün, istiklâl ve cumhuriyeti müdafaa mecburiyetine düşersen, vazifeye atılmak için, içinde bulunacağın vaziyetln imkân ve şeraitini düşünmeyeceksin!
Bu imkân ve şerait, çok nâmüsait bir mahiyette tezahür edebilir.
İstiklâl ve cumhuriyetine kastedecek düşmanlar, bütün dünyada emsali görülmemiş bir galibiyetin mümessili olabilirler. Cebren ve hile ile aziz vatanın, bütün kaleleri zaptedilmiş, bütün tersanelerine girilmiş, bütün orduları dagıtılmış ve memleketin her köşesi bilfiil işgal edilmiş olabilir. Bütün bu şeraitten daha elîm ve daha vahim olmak üzere, memleketin dahilinde, iktidara sahip olanlar gaflet ve dalâlet ve hattâ hiyanet içinde bulunabilirler.
Hatta bu iktidar sahipleri şahsî menfaatlerini, müstevlilerin siyasî emelleriyle tevhit edebilirler. Millet, fakr ü zaruret içinde harap ve bîtap düşmüş olabilir.

Ey Türk istikbalinin evlâdı! İşte, bu ahval ve şerait içinde dahi, vazifen; Türk istiklâl ve cumhuriyetini kurtarmaktır!

Muhtaç olduğun kudret, damarlarındaki asil kanda, mevcuttur!

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
“Nutuk”
20 Ekim 1927

2 comments:

Ergun Kirlikovali said…
Dear Cem Ryan,

I appreciated and enjoyed your commentary and would like to publish it in my columns at www.turkla.com and www.turkishjournal.com in its entirety, if you give me your permission.

Keep up the good work!

Ergun KIRLIKOVALI: [email protected].
12-24-2008

Anonymous said…
Turks Should Condemn American Indian Genocide, indeed but, if Armenian were as ‘lucky’ as native Americans, they would have Casinos and ‘tribal’ lands in Turkey. Armenian Genocide should never be forgotten and you’ll be rotting in hell for being Turkish government’s thug.


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16 responses to “FORGET ARMENIA, TURKS SHOULD CONDEMN AMERICAN INDIAN GENOCIDE”

  1. jda Avatar
    jda

    Quotes, I have quotes too.

    Ergun, Leyla et al: everytime you write racist, ahistorcal nonsense, Ataturk will follow you into print to correct the lies you spew. The more you say, the more he’ll say. Do you dare to contradict Ataturk?

    Mustafa Kemal Ataturk: In a communication to General Kazim Karabekir, on May 6 1920 about attacking the fledgling Armenian Republic, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk (founder of the Turkish Republic) said:
    ·“The Christian world, especially America will turn against us, associating such an attack the possibility of ‘a new Armenian massacre’”[i]
    Kazim Karabekir, Istiklal Harbimiz [Our war of Independence], 1969.
    Mustafa Kemal Ataturk: On September 22 1919, from Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, to Major-General Harbord, the head of the American Military Mission to Armenia:
    ·“Kemal used the 800,000 figure to describe the number of Armenian victims. He, in fact,‘disapproved of the Armenian massacres.’(Ermeni kitlini o da takbih ediyordu).”[ii]
    “Rauf Orbayin Hatiralari” Yakin Tarhimiz [Memoires of Rauf Orbay; Our Contemporary History], 1962.

    Mustafa Kemal Ataturk: On April 24 1920, the day after the inauguration of the new parliament of the Turkish Republic, Ataturk stated:
    ·“The World War I massacres against the Armenians (Ermenilere karşi kitliam)[was] a shameful act (fazahat).”
    “Ataturkün Söylev ve Demerçleri 1918-1938”(The Speeches and Statements of Atatürk) vol.1, 1945.

    Mustafa Kemal Ataturk: In an interview with a French publicist he (Mustafa Kemal Ataturk) inveighed against the Ittihadist chiefs, whom he blamed for the crime against the Armenians:
    ·“They,[the Ittihadist] and their accomplices…deserve the gallows. Why are the Allies delaying having all these rascals hung?”[iv]
    (Maurice Prax,“Constantinople: Lectures pour tous,” 1920).

    Mustafa Kemal Ataturk:
    ·“The massacre and deportation of Armenians was the work of a small committee who had seized the power.”
    “Rauf Orbayin Hatiralari” Yakin Tarhimiz [Memoires of Rauf Orbay; Our Contemporary History], 1962.

    Mustafa Kemal Ataturk: In an interview (Los Angeles Examiner, August 1, 1926) with Swiss journalist, Emile Hildebrand, Ataturk said:
    ·“These leftovers from the former Young Turk Party, who should have been accountable for the lives of millions of our Christian subjects who were ruthlessly driven en masse from their homes and massacred, have been restive under the republican rule.”

    Other contemporaneous Turkish voices:

    Turkish Court Martial: To judge Talaat and the other criminals who participated in organizing the genocide of 1915, a Turkish Court Martial was formed on March 8, 1919.
    The following is an abridged version of the accusation against them:
    ·“…the essential point which emerges from the open inquiry is that the crimes committed during the deportations of the Armenians in different locations and at different times were not isolated and local cases. A central force, organized by and composed of persons mentioned here, premeditated and executed them, through secret orders or verbal instructions.
    The court declares unanimously the guilt of the charges mentioned earlier of the accused hereby named, members of the General Council which represent the moral person of the Ittihad. According to the disposition of the law, the Court declares the penalty of death against Talaat, Enver, Djemal and Dr. Nazim, and forced labor for 15 years against Djavid, Moustafa Cherif and Moussa Kiazim.”

    The Great Free-Mason Loge of Turkey: The Great Free-Mason Loge of Turkey voted the following motion:
    ·“The venerable Assembly reached the conclusion that during the last war, brothers Talaat Pasha, Midhat Chukri, Hussein Dhajid, Behaeddine Chekir, forced compatriots to leave their homes, had them assassinated, and stole their goods, and for these reasons they are expelled from the Masonic ranks.”
    c2. The Turkish Journal Yeni Stamboul

    General Vehib Pasha (Bukat): Commander of the Turkish Third Army
    ·“The massacre and destruction of the Armenians and the plunder and pillage of their goods were the result of decisions reached by Ittihad’s Central Committee…The atrocities were carried out under a program that was determined upon and involved a definite case of premeditation.”[ix]
    Records of the 1919 Turkish Military Tribunal
    Mustafa Arif (Deymer): Interior Minister 1918-19

    ·“Unfortunately, our wartime leaders, imbued with a spirit of brigandage, carried out the law of deportation in a manner that could surpass the proclivities of the most bloodthirsty bandits. They decided to exterminate the Armenians and they did exterminate them. This decision was taken by the Central Committee of the Young Turks and was implemented by the Government…The atrocities committed against the Armenians reduced our country to a gigantic slaughterhouse.”
    (VAKIT, 13 Dec. 1918)

    Halide Edib: American Educated Feminist Writer
    ·“…Indeed, we tried to destroy the Armenians through methods peculiar to the Middle Ages. We are living today the saddest and darkest times of our national life.”
    (VAKIT, 22 Oct. 1918)

    “Turks and their history books still cannot accept that there was an organized mass murder of Armenians between 1915 and 1917. Perhaps that is because so many of the murderers and looters were also heroes of the founding of the modern Turkish republic.
    “The founder of modern Turkey, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, spoke on the subject dozens of times; he condemned the massacres, which he called infamous, and demanded that those who were guilty be punished.”

    Falih Rifik Atay, a close friend and confidant of Ataturk, a former Ittihadist, and Kemalist publicist:
    · When discussing the persecution of World War I Armenian massacres, he too saw fit to characterize them as “genocide,” using exactly this composite Greco Latin term, at the same time lamenting the fact that there were:
    “…alternative remedies [to the Armenian problem]; why incur the risk of dishonoring the name of the nation? Mustafa Kemal too was against the genocide.”

    Halil Berktay: Professor of History at the University of Sabanci in Istanbul

  2. Mahmad Ilyas Avatar
    Mahmad Ilyas

    The United States can do anything in the world labelling it legal, any killings, sabotage and usurping activity just because it is a stronger in arms country because no country can openly oppose it in the ground. Who will bring to justice who for the genocide of Iraq when Americans says that all that happened just because of the false news of nuclear weapons. Others are criminals, terrorists, illegal and unrightful if they do anything contrary to the interests of the United States. The world is obliged and can do nothing for that for the time. Is that not true.

  3. Büyükataman Avatar
    Büyükataman

    http://www.turkishforum.com.tr/en/content/2010/05/21/us-sorry-to-american-indian-tribes/

    US sorry to American Indian tribes

    (UKPA) – 19 May 2010

    The United States has formally apologised to American Indian tribes for “ill-conceived policies” and acts of violence against them.

    Republican Senator Sam Brownback read the congressional resolution at an event attended by representatives of five Indian nations at the Congressional Cemetery in Washington: the Cherokee, Choctaw, Muscogee (Creek), Sisseton Wahpeton Oyate and Pawnee nations.

    Four of the five are based in Oklahoma and the Sisseton Wahpeton Oyate are in South Dakota.

    The Cherokee originally were from the south-eastern United States but were forced to migrate to Oklahoma in the early 1800s.

    Chad Smith, chief of the Cherokee Nation, said most tribes had not specifically asked for a formal apology from the US government, but the gesture was appreciated.

    “It’s difficult to issue an apology and sometimes it’s difficult to accept one,” Mr Smith said.

    “Once you put those differences of the past aside, perhaps the next step is, can you do any better in this round?

    That is where our greatest challenge is. The history of the US (toward American Indians) is not a bright record. The real question is, what happens from this day forward?”

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5jDvYRdZ6i0tXjgMHB4GeDOfYjzzQ
    Kansas senator reads apology to American Indians

    Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kansas, right, talks with members of native American nations prior to a ceremony at the Congressional Cemetery chapel in Washington, Wednesday, May 19, 2010, where he read the Congressional Resolution of Apology to Native Peoples. (AP Photo/Cliff Owen)

    By MURRAY EVANS (AP) 19 May 2010

    With the leaders of five tribes in attendance, Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas read a congressional resolution Wednesday apologizing for “ill-conceived policies” and acts of violence against American Indians by the U.S. government.

    Brownback spoke during an event at the Congressional Cemetery in Washington, D.C., where he and Reps. Jim McDermott of Washington, Lois Capps of California and Mazie Hirono of Hawaii joined representatives from the Cherokee, Choctaw, Muscogee (Creek), Sisseton Wahpeton Oyate and Pawnee nations, Cherokee Nation Chief Chad Smith said.

    All those tribes are based in Oklahoma, except for the Sisseton Wahpeton Oyate, which is based in South Dakota.

    Smith said that while most tribes had not specifically asked for a formal apology from the U.S. government, the gesture was appreciated.

    “It’s difficult to issue an apology and sometimes it’s difficult to accept one,” Smith said by phone from Washington. “Once you put those differences of the past aside, perhaps the next step is, can you do any better in this round? That’s where our greatest challenge is. The history of the U.S. (toward American Indians) is not a bright record. The real question is, what happens from this day forward?”

    Brownback, a Republican, had pushed for the resolution since 2004. Both houses of Congress approved it late last year and President Barack Obama signed it in December. Lawmakers have described the resolution as a symbolic gesture that would help promote a renewed commitment by the federal government to the tribes.

    Cherokee Nation Chief Chad Smith speaks during a ceremony marking the Congressional Resolution of Apology to Native Peoples, Wednesday, May 19, 2010, in the Congressional Cemetery chapel in Washington. (AP Photo/Cliff Owen)

    Brownback has said the resolution was not meant to authorize or support any claim against the U.S. government or serve as a settlement of any claim. His office did not immediately return messages Wednesday seeking comment.

    In the text, the resolution “acknowledges years of official depredations, ill-conceived policies and the breaking of covenants” by the U.S. government toward tribes and “apologizes on behalf of the people of the United States to all Native Peoples for many instances of violence, maltreatment and neglect inflicted on” American Indians by U.S. citizens.

    Creek Nation Second Chief Alfred Berryhill called the apology “a historical step” in the relationship between the U.S. government and the tribes, which he said “maintain ourselves as sovereign” nations.

    “We feel as if this took effort on the part of the U.S. government,” Berryhill said. “We do appreciate the effort of the Congress. I know it’s hard for our nation to apologize to anybody.”

    The site of the ceremony, Congressional Cemetery, is the burial site for 36 tribal representatives from 12 American Indian nations who died in the region while representing their people, Cherokee Nation spokesman Cameron Andrews said. Among them are William Shorey Coodey, the author of the Cherokee Nation constitution, who died in 1849, and former Choctaw Nation Chief Pushmataha, who died in 1824.

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    Nations Honor Ancestors, Gather Apology

    Written by Staff Report, 19 May 2010

    An unprecedented gathering of leaders from multiple Native American nations yesterday participated in A Time of Rededication and Story-Telling event, presented by The Faith and Politics Institute, at the Congressional Cemetery at 1801 E. St., SE, Washington, D.C. 20003.

    The Congressional Cemetery became the official burial grounds in 1807 for congressman, tradesmen, diplomats, domestics, explorers, architects, soldiers and musicians. Thirty-six Native Americans are among the more than 55,000 individuals and 30,000 burial sites in the cemetery and represent peoples from Apache, Cherokee, Chippewa, Choctaw, Muscogee (Creek), Sisseton Wahpeton Oyate, Kiowa, Lakota, Nez Perce, Pawnee, Sac and Fox, and Winnebago tribes and nations. Many Native Americans interred at the cemetery were representing their people in treaty negotiations and government affairs and were far from their native lands when they passed away.

    “Native Americans were heavily involved in Washington and international politics more than 200 years ago, which led to their interment away from their homes,” said Chad Smith, Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation. “Several Native American nations also had treaties with foreign governments prior to the creation of the United States and still operate as sovereign governments today.”

    A Time of Rededication and Story-Telling event featured interpretive guides’ historical accounts of Native American leaders and dignitaries interred at the Congressional Cemetery including Cherokee citizens Captain John Rogers, Jr., William Shorey Coodey, Judge Richard Fields and great friend of the Cherokee Nation William Wirt; Choctaw citizens Pushmataha and Peter Pitchlynn; Sisseton Wahpeton Oyate leader Kan Ya Tu Duta (Red Crow); Pawnee leader Tuck Arusa Lix Ea; and Muscogee (Creek) Second Chief Berryhill, who reflected on the role of all their delegates.

    “Storytelling is a valued tradition in Native American heritage and coupled with an opportunity to relive Cherokee history on these revered grounds was a tremendous experience for guests,” added Chief Smith. “The Congressional Cemetery provided for a unique setting where visitors were immersed in traditional stories and historical accounts regarding the Native American people.”

    In preparation for the event, there was A Time of Service gathering at the Congressional Cemetery on Tuesday, May 18, which provided an opportunity for the general public to clean, weed and help restore some of the Native American graves in the cemetery. Professionals offering direction in the proper care and tending to the neglected burial sites led the efforts and supplied the tools. A short period of storytelling immediately followed the caretaking.

    Prior to A Time of Rededication and Story-Telling event there was an official presentation and reading of The Resolution of Apology to Native Peoples by Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS) and Rep. Jim McDermott (D-WA), co-hosts of the day’s events and co-authors of the resolution, which took place in the Congressional Cemetery chapel.

    The Resolution of Apology to Native Peoples cites seven key acknowledgment and apology points including one that apologizes on behalf of the people of the United States to all Native Peoples for the many instances of violence, maltreatment and neglect inflicted on Native Peoples by citizens of the United States.

    President Obama signed the bill on December 19, 2009, in part to acknowledge a long history of official depredations and ill-conceived policies by the federal government regarding Indian tribes and offer an apology to all Native Peoples on behalf of the United States.

    A Time of Rededication and Story-Telling, A Time of Service gathering and The Resolution of Apology to Native Peoples presentation was sponsored by The Faith and Politics Institute and National Congress of American Indians along with representatives of the Cherokee, Choctaw, Muscogee (Creek), Sisseton Wahpeton Oyate and Pawnee Nations.

    http://www.tulsatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1837:nations-honor-ancestors-gather-apology&catid=61:national&Itemid=109

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    Amey Upton [bio]

    President:
    Rev. Cletus Kiley [bio]

    Secretary:
    Reverend Larry Hayward [bio]

    Treasurer:
    James E. Winkler [bio]

    Co-Chairs Emeritus:
    The Honorable Amo Houghton [bio]
    The Honorable John Lewis (D-Ga.) [bio]
    The Honorable Tom Allen
    Ken Bowler [bio]
    Michael Collins [bio]
    Jerry Colbert [bio]
    The Honorable Dan Glickman [bio]
    Ambassador Thomas Graham Jr. [bio]
    Rabbi Mordechai Liebling [bio]
    Rabbi Jack Moline [bio]
    Florence Prioleau, Esq.
    Jeff Rechenbach [bio]
    Avideh Shashaani, Ph.D. [bio]
    Robert Van Wicklin [bio]
    Dalton Yancey [bio]

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    Rep. Spencer Bachus (R-AL)
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    Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH)
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    Rep. Lois Capps (D-CA)
    Rep. Howard Coble (R-NC)
    Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-CT)
    Sen. Richard Durbin (D-IL)
    Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN)
    Rep. Jo Ann Emerson (R-MO)
    Rep. Kay Granger (R-TX)
    Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-AZ)
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    Rep. Mike Honda (D-CA)
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    Rep. Fred Upton (R-MI)
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    Staff Members
    Rev. Cletus Kiley
    President | email me

    Rev. Clete Kiley was chosen by The Faith & Politics Institute’s board as the Institute’s president in June 2006. As successor to Institute founder Rev. Doug Tanner, Rev. Kiley brings a bold and innovative vision to lead FPI for the next phase of its growth.

    Prior to joining the Institute, Rev. Kiley was Executive Director, Secretariat for Priestly Life and Ministry for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. While there, Rev. Kiley was a member of the crisis management team assisting in the church’s response to the sexual abuse crisis. He participated in the formulation of a national policy, helped to create the National Review Board and Office for Child and Youth protection, and served as consultant to the board. He also developed and coordinated training workshops for the bishops and key staff in the implementation of the policy.

    Before joining the Conference of Bishops, Rev. Kiley was pastor of St. Agnes of Bohemia parish in Chicago and president of St. Joseph College Seminary. At St. Joseph, he developed and implemented a new strategic plan that led relocation of the school on the main campus of Loyola University.

    Rev. Kiley also serves on the board of directors for a number of non-profit organizations including the S.O.S Children’s Villages in Chicago, the Center for the Protection of Workers’ Rights, the National Interfaith Committee for Worker Justice, and as a member of the board of visitors for the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation. He also sits on the Advisory Council of the St. John Vianney Center.

    A native Chicago southsider, Rev. Kiley graduated from Loyola in 1970 and received a masters degree in divinity from the University of St. Mary of the Lake in 1974, a masters degree in applied spirituality from the University of San Francisco in 1980, and a doctorate in ministry from the University of St. Mary of the Lake in 1980.
    Nelson Watkins
    Program Coordinator | email me

    Nelson Watkins came to The Faith & Politics staff as the Office Manager in December 2002 and became Program Coordinator in October 2007.

    Born in Athens, Alabama and a 1987 graduate of Faulkner University in Florence, AL, Nelson brings a wide range of experiences to the Institute. In Alabama, he filled many roles for institutions as varied as the Eliza Coffee Memorial Hospital and the State of Alabama. Nelson moved to Washington, DC in May 1998 to oversee the management and eventual sale of a multi-million dollar Georgetown estate. In December 2007, Nelson was licensed to preach by Dr. H. Beecher Hicks of Metropolitan Baptist Church in Washington, DC.

    Robin Fillmore, Ph.D.
    Director of Programs | email me

    Robin holds a doctorate in political science from Kent State University and previously served as a faculty member at the University of Maryland, San Antonio College and Kent State University. She received a BA from Otterbein College in Westerville, OH and an MA from New Mexico State University in Las Cruces, NM. Prior to joining the staff at The Faith and Polictics Insitute, Robin worked at Sojourners in Washington D.C., where, for 10 years, she held positions within the Policy/Organizing, Marketing Departments and as the director of the Intern Program. She is originally from NE Ohio and has lived in Texas, New Mexico, Germany, and South Korea.

    Robin lives in Annapolis, Maryland with her husband, John Sankey, and her daughter, Lara. Her son, Aaron, is a student at Drexel University in Philadelphia.
    Christian Kostko
    Director of Finance & Administration | email me

    Christian was born in Lviv, Ukraine. He attended Pontifical Minor Seminary in Rome, Italy, then earned a BA in Philosophy from Catholic University of America. Christian worked in the US Conference of Catholic Bishops Office to Aid the Catholic Church in Central and Eastern Europe for seven years, then served as a consultant for Catholic Outreach in Eastern Europe for another year. He joined The Faith & Politics Institute in November of 2007.

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  4. Büyükataman Avatar
    Büyükataman

    I. American Indian Removal

    4In 1838-39 large parts of the Indian tribe of the Cherokees in Northern Georgia and South Carolina were forcibly relocated, some of them in manacles. About 4,000 out of ca. 16,000 relocated people died during the 116-day forced journey to ‘unorganized territory’ West of Missouri, now Oklahoma, over a distance of ca. 1000 km. This was the so-called Trail of Tears, the particularly deadly archetype of several Indian removals from Florida, Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina and Mississippi in the 1830s. In total they involved about 100,000 Indians of which many thousands died; many more could not cope with the trauma and began, for generations, a life in misery and alcoholism. ‘Heart-sick and weary, they never became reconciled to their lot,’ Rev. Walter N. Wyeth wrote in 1896 (Wyeth 1896: 168).

    5Theoretically at least, a voluntary removal with due compensations would not have infringed human rights. However, the Indian Removal Act of 28 May 1830 was a departure from the policy of respecting the established rights of the Indians. It authorized the government to grant Indian tribes western prairie land in exchange for their territories, especially in the Southeast. Nevertheless, it provided only for negotiation and voluntary relocation, not for coercion and violence, as happened in 1838-39. A group of Cherokee had already voluntarily left its land in 1835-37 (Thornton 1990: 63-77; Carter n.d.). The Indian tribes did not become citizens of the USA until the 1920s. The Armenians, for their part, were citizens of the state that removed and killed them. There were no negotiations with representatives of the Armenian community in or before 1915 about a territorial exchange and the destination of the removed people.

    6Former general Andrew Jackson, the seventh US President (1828-36), implemented Indian removal as a top priority of his presidency. Jackson is regarded as the man who established modern mass democracy combined with strong popular presidency in the USA; he left a ‘vigorous and well-organized Democratic Party as a legacy’ (Bradley 2008). Ironically, since Jackson’s egalitarian mass democracy was not sufficiently tied to constitutional human rights, it hurt both the anti-removal and anti-slavery movements of the time. ‘Most new voters in the South and the West wanted Indian removal. Most new voters in the South wanted slavery’ (Heidler 2007: 30).

    7A democrat and a demagogue, Jackson was the model of an American nationalist. He had experienced the American Revolution and was a military hero, having crushed the Indian tribe of the Creeks in 1813-14. He perceived the Indians as erratic, inferior to the white settlers and a threat to the national integrity of the young USA. This all the more as many tribes had believed that Great Britain was more likely to respect Indian property; they had been on the ‘wrong side’ during the American Revolution and its wars. Indian attacks had already been a hard reality for many settlers before and after those wars. Settler militias in turn were mostly rapacious and brutal. They ultimately proved to be a major instrument to hasten removal; governors had only partial control of them (Hill 2005: 61). In contrast, the Young Turk rulers of the 1910s feared the Armenian as educationally superior rivals, not as ‘savages.’ In fact, compared to armed Indian resistance as a whole, Armenian resistance was weak since Armenians, in contrast to the Indians, did not generally bear arms.

    8The Trail of Tears, however, did not concern ‘savages’ but, significantly, a tribe among the so-called Five Civilized Tribes. The Cherokees had managed to adapt their way of life in many respects to that of the white men, including, in some instances, slavery. They introduced European know-how, were successful farmers, formed a tribal government modelled on the US government, developed an alphabet for their own Iroquoian language in 1821 and very quickly became literate (Wishart 1995: 134).

    9Three aspects proved to be relevant factors of Cherokee removal: their regional autonomy, their wealth in terms of cultivable land and gold, and their success in finding their own, semi-autonomous path in modern America. Jackson’s Indianophobia and his fear that the Southern states would secede if he opposed them accorded with the expansive greed of white Georgia in the 1820s and 1830s, with Georgia’s will to be the only master of the territory, the pressure of its settlers, the suspicion that the Cherokees were a fifth column, and the missionaries to the Cherokee agents of the North (Andrew 1992: 153). In Turkey, in the more turbulent 1910s, analogous elements (greed, fear, the pressure of Muslim migrants, Turkist claims to Anatolia, ‘treacherous’ Armenian outside relations), but on a much larger scale, spoke against the Armenians.

    10President Jackson feared that ‘independent, sovereign Indian nations would prove easy prey for manipulation by hostile powers.’ Anachronistically or not, removal was in his view ‘the only way to safeguard the Constitution of the United States and the nation’s survival,’ Sean Wilentz, a US historian close to the Democratic Party establishment, states in his recent book on Jackson. Wilentz calls Jackson’s removal policy insidious and ruinous for the Indians, but ‘neither genocidal nor far-fetched’ (Wilentz 2005: 68-69). Historian Harold Bradley considers the fact that Jackson failed to comply with the Supreme Court’s decision to implement federal authority in Georgia in favour of the Cherokees, an ‘indelible stain’ on his record. The Supreme Court had ruled against Georgia in this issue, but Jackson sympathized with Georgia’s local government and enforced, after years of anti-Indian harassment, the Indian Removal Act of 1830.

    11In December 1828, just after Andrew Jackson’s election, the state of Georgia had extended its jurisdiction to Cherokee land, on which gold had been discovered. This land, which belonged to the Cherokees according to a treaty, was now mapped out for distribution to white citizens of Georgia. In — not only retrospectively — racist terms, the new Georgian jurisdiction forbade, among other discriminations, Indians to be ‘a witness or party in any suit where a white man should be defendant’ and any contract between a white man and an Indian without testimony of two white witnesses. The purpose was to ‘render life in their own land intolerable to the Cherokee’ and plunder them, as the anthropologist James Mooney (1861-1921) stated. In the years just before the final Trail of Tears, bands ‘of armed men invaded the Cherokee country, forcibly seizing horses and cattle, taking possession of houses from which they had ejected the occupants, and assaulting the owners who dared make resistance’ (Mooney [1897-1898] 1996: 118). In the years before the Armenian genocide, the question of Armenian agrarian property, robbed by Kurds, was one of the main issues of Ottoman interior politics. Needing the cooperation of the tribal chiefs, the Young Turks were not able, and finally not willing, to resolve this issue according to the rule of law.

    12Beside acts of individual and collective Indian resistance, a major obstacle to removal, both on the local and the national level, was the ABCFM. This first US overseas mission had begun its work among the Cherokees in 1816, six years after its foundation in Boston in 1810, and three years before it sent its first missionaries to the Ottoman Empire. Yet in 1969, the historian Clifton J. Phillips called that mission a ‘brilliant, but practically unknown, chapter in the history of the American frontier’ (Phillips 1969: 61). The early ABCFM’s American Indian mission founded churches and schools ‘in the wilderness.’ It identified with the oppressed. ‘Will any bring it to the bar of God, when these wretched Indians point to us, as the cause of their ruin,’ Levi Parsons — in 1819 the first American missionary to the Ottoman Empire — wrote in his diary when he was still a student at Andover/Harvard. ‘Reason, religion forbids’ (Parsons 1830: 42). When in 1818 the Cherokees negotiated a new treaty ‘giving up a part of their ancestral domains,’ the ABCFM secretary ‘hurried to Washington and helped insure the inclusion of a clause granting the Indians perpetual rights to their remaining tracts in the South’ (Phillips 1969: 70).

    13In a significant way, Indians had been and were the ‘others’ within American society. After an initial policy of assimilation focusing on teaching English, which the missionaries thought would help the Indians to survive, they adopted a more integrative approach. They promoted the vernaculars and a bilingual Cherokee-English newspaper. They attempted to bring to the Cherokees the best of what they believed to have and to know. Since the Cherokees shared in this they were equals not only according to the principle of human equality, but also as fellow believers in the Gospel. For the ABCFM, race and culture could not be a factor of discrimination; material envy obviously not. Moreover the Cherokees’ visible ‘progress in civilization’ and acquisition of wealth spoke against all those who despised Indians as inferior. Against the prejudices of many Yankees, the ABCFM defended marriages between Whites and Indians in the 1820s.

    14This test in antiracism, however, was easy compared to what Jeremiah Evarts, the leading ABCFM secretary in 1821-31, considered the decisive test for the young US society: to resist forcible Indian removal. This was for him a struggle ‘for the soul of America,’ that is, for what he patriotically believed to be the ‘manifest ethics’ of the American project. Evarts, together with the missionaries on the spot, sympathetic publishers in New England, and some politicians in Washington, led an extensive fight against the removal policy of the Jackson administration after 1828. Under the pseudonym of William Penn he wrote a series of articles that were printed by several papers and cited in Congressional debates (Evarts 1981: 3-40). Despite these efforts, the Congress passed Jackson’s bill for Indian Removal in May 1830.

    15Evarts continued the fight. ‘The people of the United States are bound to regard the Cherokees and other Indians, as men; as human beings, entitled to receive the same treatment as Englishmen, Frenchmen, or ourselves, would be entitled in the same circumstances. Here is the only weak place in their cause. They are not treated as men; and if they are finally ejected from their patrimonial inheritance by arbitrary and unrighteous power, the people of the United States will be impeached,’ he wrote in one of his last essays of November 1830, always signed ‘William Penn’ (Evarts 1981: 282). Not human rights, but the rights of the stronger seemed to win. Evarts died, exhausted, in May 1831 (Andrew 1992: 262).

    16At the end of 1830, Cherokees and missionaries held a meeting at Cherokee New Echota and adopted resolutions against removal. Staying on Cherokee territory without permission by Georgian authorities, the ABCFM missionaries Samuel Worcester and Elizur Butler were imprisoned. The ABCFM and those it had won for its cause in Washington supported their appeal to the Supreme Court. On 3 March 1832, Chief Justice John Marshall declared the Cherokee Nation to be a distinct community outside the jurisdiction of the State of Georgia and cleared the prisoners of all charges (Phillips 1969: 72). In contrast, the Armenians were both citizens of the state and members of a distinct community, or millet (see below), and their millet, even if autonomous in certain regards, was within the territory and the main jurisdiction of the state.

    17Understanding that Jackson favoured Georgia and wanted removal despite the Supreme Court, the missionaries finally recognized that their cause was lost, at least in the terms on which they had fought until then. Removal now seemed to be unavoidable. Recognizing this reality, the missionaries did not back those Cherokees who opted for armed resistance and killed the representatives of a minority Cherokee faction that had finally signed the pro-removal New Echota Treaty of 1835 (Phillips 1969: 74). The majority of the Cherokees remained in passive resistance.

    18‘The soldiers came and took us from home,’ a Cherokee woman recalled the eve of the Trail in autumn 1837:

    ‘they first surrounded our house and they took the mare while we were at work in the fields and they drove us out of doors and did not permit us to take anything with us not even a second change of clothes, only the clothes we had on, and they shut the doors after they turned us out. They would not permit any of us to enter the house to get any clothing but drove us off to a fort that was built at New Echota. They kept us in the fort about three days and then marched us to Ross’s Landing’ (Hill 2005: 27).

    19The main agent of the relocation was the army. The victims had been defined in 1835 by the first major census of Cherokees living in North Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, and Tennessee, compiled by the Federal government. It listed the name of the head of each family (Wishart 1995: 124-127; Carter n.d.). Total destruction, as in the case of the Armenians, did not occur. ‘However tragic the removal of the southern tribes was, the tribes moved west under treaties that recognized them lands in the West in fee simple,’ historian Francis P. Prucha concludes (Evarts 1981: 40). A number of Georgians were nostalgic, but they did not question themselves. ‘The little cabins and wigwams of the Indians,’ a white planter wrote in 1840, ‘which are scattered about among the mountains and on the water courses from which they were driven and also the graves of their friends from which they were so unwilling to be removed makes one melancholy to look at, but still it was no doubt for all the best’ (Hill 2005: 43).

    20During the Trail of Tears the missionaries had accompanied the deportees. They rebuilt the missionary stations in the West (Phillips 1969: 72-73). But the deportation had broken the enthusiasm of a creative Cherokee renaissance in their homeland, and the ABCFM’s fervour for the Indians subsided. Moreover, the political commitment against removal had not pleased all supporters of the ABCFM. Many of them preferred missionary news from overseas that reassured rather than troubled those at home. After the Indian Removal, the ABCFM concentrated more than ever upon its more promising overseas missions, in particular on those in the Ottoman ‘Bible Lands.’

  5. fikret Esberk Avatar
    fikret Esberk

    The Uited States & United Kingdom & United Europe There isn,t any dirty stone that we look under & there we can,t find their name.indians as in india & as American indians ,& the African American called now back than slaves how in the hell can the United States or The United Kingdom justify the buying selling & traiding & raiping human or they were not human because or their color or race .Japan ,Vietnam ,Korea ,Iraq , Afganistan & now Turkey ,Iran & who is next in the list. United Kingdom or the english or so called british kingdoms before & the others do they have such a clean history I don,t even want to remember or have any knowledge about what they are doing & they have done.So much crime & so many in humane act. The truth can not be hidden can not be forgoten. & if we go 2010 years back to the time of jesus christ now Italian back than roman & their partner the Jews have they forgotten who killed how killed a man mamed jesus of nasaret & years after claiming the same jesus to be their profet.As human our yesterday is not so clean so is our feuture if we keep looking back not learn from our own history as human.

  6. Robert Avatar
    Robert

    The Turkish, Azerbaijani, and all of the Central Asian nation’s parliaments should formally recognize the genocides committed by the UK, France, Germany and the US upon various peoples (the US killed thousands of Fillipinos at the turn of the 20th century. This was the real first genocide of the 20th century. The in 1904, the Germans massacred thousands of the Hereros. This would be the second genocide of the 20th century. Always Christian nations massacring others!), and then demand that these countries pay restitution to all of these people’s survivors. We’ll treat them as being guilty until proven innocent (just like the EU and the US have treated, and still treat, Turkey as they listen to some two-bit backwater country known for exporting terroism…ARMENIA; as well as GREECE)! It may be symbolic, but it should get our points across. Then let’s see how they like it when the tables are reversed!!

  7. jda Avatar
    jda

    Robert,

    you’re fairly uninformed about Americans, even though you live here and pretend to be one.

    There is no doubt in the minds of most Americans – other than Guenter Lewy – that Americans committed genocidal acts against native americans. we accept that. These acts started in colonial days and persisted into the last century.

    second, most americans whose roots go back beyond 1850 have, and are proud to have native blood, whether they appear to be caucasian, black, and certainly mexican, as mexicans are by definition a mestizo race. Spaniard father, native mother.

    pass all the resolutions you wish. we face our history, and are proud of our nation’s indian roots.

    by the way, the united states still has tens of thousands of native place names. in Turkey your brethren destroyed and wrote every armenian word and place name out of your maps and language. you even renamed the latin genus species names for animals that originally reflected armenian and kurdish origins.

    get back to cartoons.

  8. Robert Avatar
    Robert

    JDA,

    First of all, you’re wrong in your second paragraph. There is no “we” in this equation! You are an Armenian who happens to be living in America! Your viewpoints have been suspect from day one and has consequently, never really been taken seriously! You try to get people in congress and at various upper state levels to say that “We (Armenians) are Amenicans and “We” find that this or that is unfair to humanity and/or to Armenian-Americans! Gee, what are the 1 million+ Turkish and Turkick US citizens then…Phantoms? We have no say in anything? It’s all about you “people” then? I think not!! Now you even have the shameless audacity to have claims with the native American Indian (“we…are proud of OUR nation’s Indian roots”)! Just when I thought that it would not be possible for even you dashnaks to go any lower on the scale of being human, you constantly find ways to prove me wrong, in that you can actually go lower than what was once thought unacheivable! Can you NOW see and understand why you Armenians are held in such low esteem by everyone else on the planet! Now do you get it when even non-Turks call you “people” incessent whiners! Forget the fact that you’re all back-stabbing murderous cowards AND liars to begin with anyway. These facts have been known AND well documented since at least 1895 (e.g. London…British Parliamentary Records [February, 1895])!!

    While we’re on the topic, you “people” have NO relation to the Jews or their sufferings! For your people to state that the Holocaust and an “Armenian geonocide” which never occurred are equivalent is an insult to all Jews and their families and especially survivors! It IS the lowest common denomenator of humanity that Armenians have reached when they try to equate one groups sufferings with what they percieve, and have maliciously tried to get all of the Christian nations in the world to buy into (a.k.a. The Greatest Con Job of the 20th Century!), as the same thing happening to them, at the same level! Considering how many THOUSANDS of Jews dashnak Armenians slaughtered during WWI and WWII, it simply boggles the minds of anyone with an I.Q. over 90 to comprehend the animalistic bloodlust that is in most of your hearts (note that I do not use the term soul, since you’ve all sold that long ago to Satan [can you say “praising Hitler and his plans for “The Final Solution”…as written by numerous anti-semetic Armenian magazines and newspapers based in Berlin from 1935-1944])!

    As for cartoons, have you jumped out of another one yet again? Don’t forget to wear your clown suit!!

  9. jda Avatar
    jda

    Robert,

    My family has fought for this country in every war since the Spanish American. Each generation, including me and mine, wore the uniform, took an oath, and bore arms for our nation.

    Who in the fuck are you, a middle aged person who seems to be in peri-menopause, to question anyone’s patriotism?

    I doubt that you even made the Igdir school traffic squad.

  10. fikret Esberk Avatar
    fikret Esberk

    I am from Turkey even if my origin is not, my grand father, my father ,my mother was born here . I have adopted the turkish culture with the time but as Ataturk has given me the option of choice even before I was born Iam proud to say Iam a Turk .Some times we judge things based on what we watch ,hear or read & most of the time we make ourself believe in some of those things because they feet in to what we want to believe .I have been to the United States & spend 15 years of my life there & been to so many other cointries people are the same no mater where they are from what race or religion ones we get to know them .As a turk I will be asked the question if I have seen the movie called Midnigt Exspress & there I will see, a movie based on a true story will be more than a reason to blame an antire nation the story been told in the movie is true but with so many things that they are un true about the turkish military people which we name here jandarma about the jail by the way which looked like a zoo by the court system & so many other things about the turks & turkey any person who knows turks & been to turkey will tell u that this story doesn,t tell the truth .One more thing before the Kurdish problem started there was a problem so called alevi problem for many years & this is a true story & another but, untill today still the alevi people believe they been killed by turks & some turks with the time started to believe to this untrue story ok friends no matter from which nation u might be here is some truth about this alevi problem which is a problem in turkey but not a problem created by the turks or turkey & I DO KNOW WHO IS BEHIND THIS PROBLEM . There was some turkish speaking people who were killing or burned the alevi people alive in turkey but hell no they were not turks I am an alevi, like many of other alevi who been killed or who was put in to the flame & I say hell no, no, no ,no ,not the turks to blame. Armenian ,Alevi ,& now Kurd is this a turkish problem or a problem in turkey judge it yourself.

  11. Ergun KIRLIKOVALI Avatar
    Ergun KIRLIKOVALI

    What have Armenians given to America other than lies, fabrications, bomb threats, assassinations, intimidation, harassment, terrorism, deception, bloodshed, violence, crooked business schemes, hate literature, vengeance rhetoric, ugly and tasteless monuments promoting division, polarization, and more hate, …? Nothing! Why do you think Armenia today is a land-locked, poverty-stricken, corrupt, and violent place even Armenians hate to visit where the top import is foreign aid and top export is illegal aliens? It seems like most diaspora Armenians are like JDA, self-destructing hate-monger spreading falsifications. Check this photo out to see JDA’s forebears: http://www.ethocide.com

  12. Robert Avatar
    Robert

    JDA,

    Tell it to the Marines, okay! You have zero credibility and therefore are most probably lying now! You say that your family wore the “uniform” and fought in the Spanish-American War and every war since then. The first group of Armenians coming to this country as what could be considered “a major group” was right after the establishment of the Armenian archives in Boston, MA (which was, BTW, done by Armenian agents sent from Armenian!) in 1890. So your family would have had to have come to this country, go through the process of becoming a US citizen, AND then enlisting in the Spanish-American War with Colonel Teddy Roosevelt! Highly unlikely!!! You couldn’t even answer a basic question which I had placed to you last year, in regards to the uniform that I wear to this day. Had you been in ANY branch of the US military, you would’ve known immediately what the phrase I had mentioned then meant! You said it “had something to do with a 70’s era disco” (REMEMBER?!!…I sure as hell do!!). That’s when I knew that you were full of it!! So don’t give me any crap about your family, and ESPECIALLY YOU, being in any US military uniform and serving this country! You’re an Armenian, first and foremost! Armenians lie! This is what you people do. It must be in your genes. This has been known by the whole world since before 1895!! Hell, I’ll even give you yet another test to see if you can tell the truth. If you’re interested, let me know.

    My people served this country as well, yet you don’t hear any of them whining or demanding from the American people! Nor do you hear our people say, even though many were born here, while the rest became naturalized, that “being Turkish-Americans that ALL Americans are being insulted when Armenians do or say this or that!”. We don’t sneakily slide in “ALL Americans” are effected by… the way your people love to do! You do the same thing with the Jewish people while you shamelessly try to equate what they went through with your non-existant “genocide”, just to garner sympathy from people who never had a chance to hear the real truth (which, BTW, is about to change very soon)! Your diaspora despeartely tries to control every aspect of truthfull communications. You’ve gone as far as to even call me a paid Turkish agent…REMEMBER?!!!! Cause I sure do! You keep accusing me of being Ergun K. while you pathetically repeatedly change your own handle! But then again, what more can be expected from a dashnak Armenian? None of you have any credibility anyway. Everyone knows that anything and everything that an Armenian says MUST be double-checked for authenticity as well as accuracy!!!

    Well clown, who will you come back as next time? How about “The Gutless Wonder”!

  13. jda Avatar
    jda

    Mr. Kirlikovali,

    Thanks for updating your evidence of racism. It will be sent to every Member of Congress so that each may see who leads the ATAA.

  14. Ergun KIRLIKOVALI Avatar
    Ergun KIRLIKOVALI

    I expect nothing less form you. Do it yesterday! I stand by every word theree. Make sure you add that on top, you racist, terrorist son of bitch!

  15. Robert Avatar
    Robert

    Hey JDA,

    Are you trying to be funny or are you really THAT stupid! Let’s see, at last count, you had, at the very least, eight different aliases. But go ahead and send this to congress, the White House…oh, why stop there…send it to every parliament on Earth! I’ll be LMAO when they receive it, realize it’s been sent by some head case, and as usual, toss it and simply ignore you just like everyone else does. Remember what you are JDA, a racist, insulting liar with zero credibility. Deal with it! BTW, your clown outfit doesn’t exactly qualify as a “uniform”! Sorry Charlie!!!

  16. Robert Avatar
    Robert

    Merhaba Ergun,

    Kardesim, do not let the clown now going by the handle JDA bother you. Always remember, if we didn’t have genetically deffective creatins like him, how would we get our entertainment? I’ve seen his act once. He rides around in one of those tiny little bicycles, he climbs in and out of some farm animal’s anus, he juggles (reallity and the truth to suit his needs), he tries to articulate intelligently, but of course fails as always. I can’t wait to catch his next show!

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